Better watch out for this NEW strain of H1N1 too as it may hit us in
Europe and the US. Lots of potential for preventable diseases occuring. If it is more deadly in those already vaccinated and if those already vaccinated can spread it more.then it raises the issue of why the drive to vaccinate was so intense......(to those people here who know what I mean by this). On this next round all hell is going to break loose if these 2 facts are true. People should get all their herbs and vitamins NOW. In Europe from April 2011 the sale of herbs, vitamins and homeopathic meds are going to require being licensed and people will NOT be able to buy many existing manufactured items (one can only make ones own remedies) as many manufacturers and suppliers will go bust, adding problems to flu prevention in Europe in Spring when flu tends to emerge.

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Herbalmedicines/index.htm


http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE69K3WC20101021

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The H1N1 swine flu virus may be starting to
mutate, and a slightly new form has begun to predominate in Australia,
New Zealand and Singapore, researchers reported on Thursday.

More study is needed to tell whether the new strain is more likely to
kill patients and whether the current vaccine can protect against it
completely, said Ian Barr of the World Health Organisation Collaborating
Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza in Melbourne, Australia
and colleagues.

"However, it may represent the start of more dramatic antigenic drift of
the pandemic influenza A(H1N1) viruses that may require a vaccine
update sooner than might have been expected," they wrote in the online
publication Eurosurveillance.

It is possible it is both more deadly and also able to infect people who have been vaccinated, they said.

Flu viruses mutate constantly -- this is why people need a fresh flu
vaccine every year. Since it broke out in March 2009 and spread
globally, the H1N1 swine flu virus has been very stable with almost no
mutation.

Scientists around the world keep an eye on all flu strains in case an
especially dangerous new mutant emerges. While H1N1 turned out not to be
especially deadly, it spread globally within weeks and killed more
children and young adults than an average strain does.

WHO declared the pandemic over in August but H1N1 has now taken over as
the main seasonal flu strain circulating almost everywhere but South
Africa, where H3N2 and influenza B are more common. The current seasonal
flu vaccine protects against H1N1, H3N2 and the B strain.

"The virus has changed little since it emerged in 2009, however, in this
report we describe several genetically distinct changes in the pandemic
H1N1 influenza virus," Barr's team wrote in the report, available
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  • That way if the shot doesn't kill you the cholesterol in the spam will! LOL
  • I am working from home this flu season! LOL Really I am though. I have already decided that I will be the freak who goes grocery shopping in a hospital mask and i have purchased a 55 gallon drum of hand sanitizer...okay, that one was a joke. last year my boss got the flu shots and was deathly ill for the following 6 weeks! He is young, in his late 20's (is that disgusting?) and said that he has never in his life become so ill. His doctor claimed that he must have already contracted the flu before his shot...RIIIIIIIGHT! Any way, he is not getting one this year and neither am I. After years of getting them and having my sons get them I am digging in my heels and not allowing it this year. I certainly hope that we are correct. I will never forgive myself if they/I get it but it just doesn't sound right. When H1N1 hit in 2009 my son and I were in Madrid. When we flew home the person behind us hacked the entire way. I tried to buy hand sanitizer at the Madrid Airport but they were sold out. After a 6 hour delay in Madrid we finally made it to Miami. Of course we had missed our connecting flight to Chicago and everyone was running around in masks. Once again, not a drop of sanitizer to be seen! we spent the night at a hotel in Miami and then caught the early flight to Chicago, again more masks. Long story short, I never did get it. Nor did my 13 year old, Andrew. We had been exposed countless times, especially in Miami where the Mexican people were flocking to avoid it in their own nation. People were hacking and coughing all around us and we never got it. After 50hours of trying to get home to Iowa, safe sound and healthy, aside from the bruises I had gotten in my mugging in Madrid! LOL
    Steve
  • I learned my lesson from last year with vaccinating all of us, won't be doing that again!
  • I am sure those who know in the Establishment are not taking them. (good description btw)
  • Wonder if any of the a-holes up in Washington are taking them? Probably not.
  • Again, LIES from the TPTB. More scare tactics to force vaccination on people. And they are targeting kids!! It's just all BS!
  • http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Call-for-all-children-to.66006...

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    « Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryPublished Date: 27 October 2010
    By Lyndsay Moss
    ALL children should be immunised against swine flu, according to leading doctors after a study found that youngsters were particularly vulnerable to the disease.



    The study by the UK government's former chief medical officer Sir Liam Donaldson found that a fifth of children who died of the disease during last winter's outbreak were previously healthy.

    The swine flu death toll for children was greater than that caused each year by leukaemia, said the researchers. Such a high death rate for a single infectious disease was last seen in 2001, during an outbreak of meningitis.

    The authors called for a full immunisation programme for children due to the high number of fatalities. They also called for international data to be pooled to provide a higher number of cases for analysis. They wrote: "Our findings support the vaccination of children against pandemic influenza A H1N1. Children at greatest risk of severe illness or death should be prioritised.

    "Our data indicates that risk groups include children with pre-existing illness, including chronic neurological or gastrointestinal disease, and those in ethnic minority groups (including Bangladeshi and Pakistani children). However, our findings also suggest that protection cannot be confined to risk groups as 21 per cent of deaths in our study occurred in healthy children."

    Commenting on the report, Dr Robert Fowler, from the University of Toronto and Dr Phillipe Jouvet, from the University of Montreal, wrote: "We now know that the 2009 H1N1 infection was associated with severe illness and death in greater numbers of children and young adults than previous influenza seasons and other influenza viruses.

    "Any talk of over-reaction to 2009 H1N1 virus might lead to an under-appreciation of the very real risks of influenza."

    The Scottish Government last night insisted that its swine flu immunisation programme - which targeted those in "at-risk" groups - had worked well in preventing more fatalities. A spokesperson said: "Any child over the age of six months who is in an at-risk group is eligible for the seasonal flu vaccine.

    "Expert advice is that children with no underlying health conditions are not at particular risk this year. The priority of the seasonal flu vaccination programme is to ensure the available vaccine is targeted at those most at risk.

    "It is expected that H1N1 will be the main flu virus circulating during the 2010-11 season.


    As a result of exposure to the virus during the pandemic, it is expected that there will be some built-up immunity within the community to this virus strain.

    "This contrasts with last year when the H1N1 flu virus was an entirely new strain and there was little or no immunity.

    "Decisions on who should receive the seasonal flu vaccine are based on recommendations from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, an independent panel of experts that provides advice to all UK health departments."

    The study examined the cases of the 70 children and teenagers who died from swine flu in England over a nine-month period between 2009 and 2010. Those from Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities, and with pre- existing conditions - especially neurological diseases such as cerebral palsy - were hardest hit.

    However, a fifth of the young people who died were previously healthy.

    Doctors said the evidence suggested that all children should be vaccinated against swine flu, especially those in high-risk groups.

    The findings, from an investigation into the impact of swine flu on children and teenagers aged 18 and under, were published yesterday in an early online edition of the Lancet medical journal.

    The study found that overall childhood mortality for H1N1 was six deaths per million of population. The highest death rate of 14 per million was for children aged less than a year old. About a fifth of children who died were previously healthy or had only mild pre-existing disorders.

    Overall, 64 per cent of children had been vaccinated with Tamiflu. But only seven received the drug within 48 hours of the onset of symptoms and just three before their admission to hospital.

    Two children who died received the vaccine too late for it to be effective.





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    Charles Linskaill,
    Edinburgh 27/10/2010 00:11:32


    All of Massive Hysteria, and Mass Experimentation of pumping dangerous chemicals into our Children, to-which we do not know the long term side effects,
    Say NO!


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    Simonedi,
    27/10/2010 00:36:00
    Well something needs to be done with all the swine flu vaccene that was panic bought for a pandemic that never happened...
    On a serious note this vaccene appears to do more harm than good, i can recall a couple of deaths being attributed to allergic reactions to the vaccene as well numerous cases of people developing narcolepsy as wellReport Unsuitable3
    Jim A,
    27/10/2010 00:40:36
    It it helps protects the kids then I say go for it.I haven't heard or read of any reports of people dying because of having the vaccination.Report Unsuitable4
    Simonedi,
    27/10/2010 00:48:02
    there were a couple of cases where a person went into anaphalaxys after receiving the vaccene. My main concern is the list of potential side effects the peice of paper in the vaccene packet mentions for example-

    Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Vasculitis, Paralysis, immune System Disorders, Blood and lymphatic disorders, Paraesthesia, Convulsions

    That is only a few of the side effects the manufacturer recognises, the full list runs to well over 50 conditions and problems including hypersensative reactions, death and narcolepsy.
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    Jim A,
    27/10/2010 01:01:12
    #4 Simon, fair point mate but look at some of the other drugs out there on the market as well. Hell the potential side effects of some of them are damned frightening.

    My oldest lad is in research and he reckons the drug companies put out those warnings to cover their backsides, by that I mean that if someone does have a reaction to a drug the company say we did warn you it could happen.

    I was in the US a while ago, some of the adverts they had on the telly for drugs spent more than half the advert time going through possible side effects that "could" occur. talking like a full minute or so of it.

    I agree that there will be some folks who will have some form of reaction to the drug but from your list above and just out of interest, have you heard or read of anyone having any of those reactions? Report Unsuitable6
    Charles Linskaill,
    Edinburgh 27/10/2010 01:08:15

    In the UK, We a a Retched Gullible Lot, Most of us believe anything we are told, and will put anything down our throats, and pump thins into our Body, with no second thoughts, If the Health Gurus tell us to!,
    Glad I have Not Succumb to this Dreadful situation, and realise the implications.


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    wdy,
    27/10/2010 01:30:56

    Use up the vaccine before it goes offReport Unsuitable8
    glaswegian at heart,
    florida 27/10/2010 03:49:04
    does not compute!!!!!!I believe there is such a glut of vaccines that the powers that be are pushing the fear card.....I haven't taken the 'flu vaccine ever and I won't take it this year....I am considered a high risk(copd)but my theory is I probably have built up a resistance to the many strains of the virus and I will just take my chances. I am up there in years so que sera Report Unsuitable9
    Outback Jock,
    Australia 27/10/2010 04:49:32
    The authors "called for international data to be pooled to provide a higher number of cases for analysis."

    Good idea. Then they would know that in Australia last year, 55 children suffered febrile convulsions after receiving the vaccine and a further 196 experienced reactions such as fever, vomiting and "grizzliness". Tragically, one little girl also died.Report Unsuitable10
    Outback Jock,
    Australia 27/10/2010 04:51:31
    The Australian government stopped vaccinating under-5s as a result.Report Unsuitable11
    John McVey,
    Thailand 27/10/2010 05:16:42
    Who is really behind this story? Is this another program to reduce the whole population life expectancy. The vaccinations don't work and only cause grave harm.Report Unsuitable

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  • The last flue shot I got was about seven or eight years ago. I got the flue real bad. I have never got another one since. You know my daughter said she had the same thing happen to her,but just days after getting the shot. I feel for the older people that don't have a clue as to what is in the shots.
  • At Wal-mart yesterday, they were giving flu shots. I walked by and said NO WAY am I rolling up my sleeves for that toxic stuff to my daughter as I walked by. As to flu shots, I've never had one and don't plan on it. BTW, hubby got one in fall of 2007. In late January 2008, he came down with a horrible flu. Body aches, nausea, congestion and was in bed for two days. Wonder if that was a "set up" jab?
  • They were saying on local stations here that they have one shot for 3 strains of flue and the H1N1 was in it. Just like you said Kim,they are really pushing the flue shots. My daughter's husband is in the service and they made them and their kids take the shot. That is not right.
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