An email from Andy Lloyd

[Cheryl Nelson]

I present all views possible, pro or con, about the existence of Planet X and its ETA.  This email was posted by David elsewhere and I'm reposting it for your consideration.  I agree about the sun dogs/lens flares.  Second sun sightings these past years in the northern hemisphere while PX was under the ecliptic as said elsewhere wouldn't be possible.  But if a PX-object isn't out there, then the question becomes what is causing the earth changes?  It still could be a PX-object, but it just might be further away than we think?

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Z <[e-mail]>
To: yaridanjo <[e-mail]>; dark-star-planet-x <[e-mail]>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:19 am
Subject: RE: 2012 IMPACT THREAT UP

Now it's 2012, I'd like to make a general point about the Return of Planet X.  Some years ago I criticised Marshall Masters, Jacco van der Worp and Janice Manning in my book review of their "Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide".  They argued that a Nibiru/Planet X/Dark Star object would be 'clearly visible at night as a bright, reddish object' to observers in the southern hemisphere from mid-2009, and would appear more generally as a second sun in 2012.  More specifically, they prophesized that Planet X would be just 6.4AU away by 15th May 2011, and thus by now should be at about the same distance as Jupiter, if not closer.  I disagreed and spelt out my reasons why Planet X was nowhere close to returning.  My 2006 book review (http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/planetxforecast.htm) resulted in an angry reaction from Marshall Masters himself, who has not spoken to me or emailed me since. 
 
Whether their book was based upon a solid set of scientific assumptions or not, it can now be seen to be seriously flawed.  Videos and other supporting evidence posted on the Internet over the last few years has claimed that images of sundogs and lens flares around the Sun prove that Planet X is upon us.  It does not.  They simply prove that some images taken of the Sun have lens flares and sundogs.   For their book to have been correct, we are now at the stage when a second sun should be clearly visible.  It is not.  There's no getting around this now.  A brown dwarf object closer than Jupiter would be a highly visible night-time object - certainly the brightest object in the night sky after the Moon.  So where is it?
 
Now is the time for an earnest debate on this subject.  There are many, many people who, influenced by the Planet X Forecast and other similar missives, still believe that the end of the Mayan Calendar augurs the castastrophic return of Nibiru.  They are anxious, even fearful of this outcome.   I want to put their minds at rest.  I don't know what the end of 2012 will bring, but I know what is not going to happen - we will not see catastrophe at the hand of a brown dwarf closing in on perihelion.  Those still arguing that it is, risk creating unnecessary panic and anxiety in a public already rocked by economic turmoil.  They should recognise their error.   The 2012 scenario has, predictably, caused the Planet X debate severe damage.  NASA has been bombarded with questions from fearful members of the public, creating a feeding frenzy of scepticism that has damaged more considered arguments for the existence of another distant planet in our solar system.  The public now perceive the claim for a Planet X body as being the hallmark of cranks.  
 
I was right to argue against the 2012 scenario back in 2006, and I stand by the criticism I levelled at the Planet X Forecast book back then. That's my opinion as a researcher, but I also recognise that others have differing opinions.  If they want to share them with me then I'm happy to hear them and include their points here on my website.  I want the public to be able to access an honest, open debate on this subject as minds increasingly turn to this year's winter solstice.
 
Many thanks,

Andy Lloyd

Author and artist,

'The Dark Star Theory'
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk

'Cheltenham-Art.com'
http://cheltenham-art.com

http://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=440880

[tracy arnold]

The anunnaqi are not a evil race of beings.There is balancement in this multiverse.If so the sumerians would have said so,who were black by the way.Even racism has crept in with this or ties into this and no one wins the race in racism.Lots of dis and mis-information being put out on this subject...

[tracy arnold]

oh and it nibiru is 4 times the size of jupiter so it doesnt have to be that close to cause damages.I think having 4 magnetic fields will cause some damage,wouldnt you?

[tracy arnold]

Here is the pic i posted on another thread of the mothership nibiru and what its composed of.Amy you are right when it appears it will be right up on us.I have been knowing about nibiru or rylo7 as the government usta call nibiru,since 1989,which was when i was first introduced to this subject and have bee studying everysince.So people dont know or want to accept the fact that its a mothercraft with beings on it,they are going to be in for a surprise real soo.,and forget about dates.I feel it will be here well before december of this year.imoa....peace....picture keeps loading like this for whatever reason,sorry...

[nicholas fowler]

water, water, water sums it up. followed by shelter followed by  nutrition.  as a curiosity, I have been vegetarian for fifteen years or so, but lately have had some strange irrational urges to go back to eating meat . can this be  subliminal message that times are going to be very hard and nutrition must come from all sources when it can be found? just a thought

[Amy Evans]

According to the SVT ... all of the major nations are/were in on this information almost from the start ... there are several references in the SVT Blogs that the Russian Scientists and others were trying to prod/force NASA to tell what they know to the people ... there have been several references to articles in S. America and other countries of their being denyed requested info from NASA's space probes ...

I do not know enough about Astronomy, or for that matter do the Scientists, what could or is not possible out in Space ... we are still pre-school children in these matters.

Is/could the Dwarf Star be responciable, even from its position outside of our system, for all of the changes the Earth & other planets of this system are going through?   Possible

SVT was very clear that they believed that Nibiru was clearly "Artificial" in nature ... it was far denser than a normal space body of its size (Pluto) to be, and moving far faster than any normal space body we have seen to this point.

Again, our knowledge is sorly lacking here

The Russians have also been under the gun to have what they were building finished in time also ... they have a very large country, and who knows what they might be trying to save, besides their elit.

 

We could, if anyone wants to, walk down the films that HollyWood has put out over say the last 20 years or more, and look at the signs/events they have placed in front of us

 

ET ... Some Aliens are friendly, and that we have nothing but fear it self to fear

The Last Starfighter ... that we are not alone in the Heavens, and that there are bad Aliens out there also

Star Trek ... that these other Races use Faster Than Light Drive (The images of Star Ships popping out of nowhere with a massive flash that NASA images) to get from one point to another.

Deep Impact ... that there will be a "Black President" when the Shit Hits the Fan ... that each country will have massive underground bunkers for the elite/scientists/soldiers and those invited by lot.

2012 ... that there will be a Geological Pole Shift/Crustal Displacement caused by strange new emissions from our Sun ... a Black President will be in charge when TSHTF ... the the Oceans of the world will slop back and forth, and will top the high mountains of China ... just as reported by Emperor Yahou almost 3,600 years ago, and shown in the movie ... the elite also had their place in the massive ark's ... leaving the general population to their own safety/death.

Battle:LA ... A nasty Race of Aliens invades the Earth ... as told by the high ranking Vatican leaker ... the Anunnaki are alive on Nibiru, and are a Warrior Race ... and they are returning soon.

 

I can only hope that enough of our technology survives what is about to happen, so that humanity does not have to start completly over as has happened so many times before in our past ... and just maybe, maybe these other Races will intervein and help the survivors continue on and upward in our development

  

[Cheryl Nelson]

Thanks, Amy.

I agree that there is too much going on to discount the concept of a PX-type object, but there are so many questions.  And the more we look, the more questions we find.

So (yeah, I know, I sound like a broken record) the provident thing to do is keep preparing and just be ready for anything. 

[Byron wilkins]

I am for no reason jumping ship because its 2012 and we can not see it. There is more evidence for PX IMO than not. The 3600 year cycles are enough in them selfs. There are enough photos to satisfy me. The written and passed down knowledge of many races throughout history is no accident and was not put there by TPTB. I think it will be here before the galactic alignment in december but who knows exactly.  

[Dianna Spencer]

Thanks, Amy, for your input. 

[nicholas fowler]

there one or two points here, Amy. first the dwarf star, assuming it is a highly magnetic body, will pick up plasma from the heliosphere as it comes through on its trajectory. thus it is not necessarily the dwarf star but its halo of plasma that is glowing. therefore once it is within the bounds of the inner solar system ti should be lit up  like second  sun.

next point, first  we have the perturbations of Saturn and Jupiter, and now we have the violent sand storms on Mars, the indication  are it is closer than Andy or the star viewer team might assume it to be.

next point, we have Harrington to fall back on plus the leaked information in the New York times and Washington post we can extrapolate from.

now, we can argue from the opposite direction, from what is going on, on the home planet. we have a pro gramme of DUMB building from the late seventies I believe and Phil Schneider testimony. before he was murdered. and we have the work of Richard Sauder to back this up.

next we have the continuing volcanism and earthquakes that show no sign at all of let up, something is energizing the earths magma .

Now John dinardo has the interesting theory that the suns quiescence lately was due to the energy exchange between the sun and Jupiter being interrupted by planet x  absorbing Jupiters energies , so its interaction with the sun was at a minimum.

now, if the star viewer team thinks or at least thought this body was still in the outer solar stem in the kuiper belt, they must now assume it has been in transit and is a heck of a lot closer. now is it not a good idea to trace the time this object was first observed by the star viewer team and then to see when the perturbations of Saturn and Jupiter took place? this may give us a lead as to the trajectory and velocity of the dwarf star.

Now as for the planet Nibiru swinging in towards us around its orbit of the dwarf star, would this alone be enough to cause an upset of the gas gaints or do we need to fall back upon the magnetism and gravity of the actual dwarf star? the latter I think. it is interesting that Maccanney implies  the comet Lovejoy, the size of pluto or even Venus, might be inside the graviational field of the dwarf star. in which case the star is even closer than we think.

another point, why were the Russians suddenly in a hurry to build five thousand bunkers or shelters for the citizens of Moscow? what was it they discovered? and why was the year 2012 mentioned?

[Amy Evans]

If it is Nibiru that is being projected here to swing/pass through our system, then there is a good chance we will not see its approach until it is close enough to our planet ... and by then, it will be too late for the majority of the population to do anything, but pray.