FYI, a blog only holds about three pages of text, thus the reason for a Part 2.
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Next is my in-depth response to Larry's July 7th, 12:41 p.m. response, in Part 1 @
Cheryl Nelson on July 7, 2011 at 3:21pm:
This is part 1 of my response to Larry's 7/7/11 comment posted below. His assertions are italicized. My rebuttals follow:
"First of all you have ZERO evidence that I have anything to do with the Pole Shift Ning, Gerard Zwaan, or Nancyd Lieder. But you went right ahead and ASSUMED there is a connection."
You deny that you have a connection with poleshift.ning, GZ or NL, yet you talk just like them, style, content and so on.
In your 7/6/2011 comment, you mentioned "black ops." Nancy started that vicious rumor. Where did you get the idea I am "black ops" except from her?
You also said that I was "involuntarily removed as a moderator." Only moderators were aware of that fact. How would someone who has no connection know that? Further, and to correct the record, I was not involuntarily removed as a moderator. Gerard asked me to resign and I voluntarily complied with his request.
"Then you made a blog based on my comment and the comment of another person (who I assume is a moderator at the Pole Shift Ning, but how does Cheryl know that, got a list of the moderators to peruse?)."
Your point is mooted since I based my assumption on good evidence. Does anyone here disagree that he sounds like Nancy and other disruptors that have visited here?
Then after accusing me of the "crime" of assuming something, you turn around and do the same thing: "who I assume is a moderator..." As for how I get my information, that's none of your business, but Mark IS a moderator. Absolutely, no doubt in my mind based on documentary evidence.
"And talk about PARANOID! Double wow! Cheryl Nelson is practically the definition of paranoid based on insisting on IP addresses for all members, preapproval of all memberships, and choosing to take legit concerns about this site to such a level IMMEDIATELY. Scared, Cheryl, of the truth getting out about you and this site being a ZetaTalk debunking site?"
Only a qualified medical professional can diagnose. Are you practicing medicine here without a license? What is the definition of paranoia? Have you ever, if you are a qualified medical practicioner, met with me in person for consultation. What authority, then, do you diagnose me as anything? Because I asked for IP addresses? Again, we have heard that insanity from Nancy Lieder, to whom you have no connection. And the only reason I had to ask was because poleshift.ning spies, including Nancy and Gerard, were constantly coming here, violating my members' privacy by trawling the members' lists. It is amazing how she provokes a reaction so she can use the reaction as some kind of ammunition, which is nothing more than just her taking a molehill and spinning it into a mountain. My "PARANOIA" was nothing more than due diligence on my part to try to protect my members' privacy.
Your comment, "choosing to take legit concerns about this site to such a level IMMEDIATELY" isn't clear. Are you saying that requiring IP numbers is a legitimate concern? If so, then why do you consider that I am PARANOID? And, if it is a legitimate concern, it needs to be addressed immediately. So, what is your point?
Scared? Not at all. This site is protected, as I have said before. We are an open society here. I have been ridiculed and defamed a few times here, and I have let the expressions stand as a testament to the free speech we practice here. Many here know me and can see what malarkey disruptors are spewing.
Cheryl Nelson on July 7, 2011 at 3:44pm:
"Cheryl has almost no idea how her OWN posts all over the internet actually make her look like a complete fool. Cheryl apparently THINKS she is smarter than everyone else. Most people can recognize when someone is simply DISGRUNTLED and not legit, not trying to help people, just trying to make her own points no matter how absurd (like Comet Elenin being anything more than a small comet), and that is Cheryl Nelson."
Why do you care so much, Larry? Are you obsessed with me? Are you stalking me too?
Actually, my posts contain plenty of indications that I don't pretend to be smarter than everyone. As far as what's on the internet, if people even notice at all, they will see an honest person who doesn't hide she doesn't know everything.
No one made you start this "ning" did they Cheryl? But you want to CONTROL everything and LIE in the process, whatever it takes!
Again, more Nancy Lieder. She who must obsessively control everything and has been busted in enough lies. Actually, now that you remind me, I was influenced to start this ning. By Nancy Lieder, when she began stalking me on poleshift ning and discrediting my posts. I saw the end coming and started my own ning, since I had come to poleshift ning after running my own website and yahoogroups since 2003 (which still exists). It was only logical to continue on with all the data I had accumulated. I told Gerard about my new ning when I was still a member of psning and he didn't seem to have a problem with it at that time.
Please provide PROOF that I am connected to ZetaTalk or the Pole Shift Ning. There will be no proof because you cannot prove it (even with my IP address and email address).
What chutpah you have. Libel me on my own ning without a shred of evidence then demand proof connecting you to ZT/NL/psning. Your posts are my proof. Does anyone here disagree that he is spewing Nancy Lieder/ Zetatalk/the poleshift ning agenda, and that there is no way he doesn't have a connection? (BTW, Larry, I know this question is a fishing expedition to try to find out how I know things, like that Mark is a psning moderator.)
At least I have evidence for my statements. Cheryl has ZERO evidence about me, simply jumped to CRAZY conclusions so she can leave my comment up and make a blog based on it (rather than delete it because that would expose Cheryl's LIE that she never suspends members or deletes anything because she does both).
Evidence does no good if it is never presented, Larry. And libel, or less than personal knowledge does not constitute evidence. And, as I just said, you are my star witness. My conclusions aren't crazy when compared to your libelous, unsubstantiated accusations. My conclusions would pass a reasonable person test.
So including my comment as coming from the Pole Shift Ning is a total falsehood based on nothing.
Au contraire, Larry. You, yourself, have proved it abundantly.
Thanks, again, Cheryl for proving me right about you. You need professional help, the sooner the better.
As I showed above, unless you can prove you are a qualified medical professional and have examined me in depth, your diagnosis and suggestion to seek professional help are meaningless libel.
I seriously doubt Nancy Lieder cares anything about your pathetic "ning." You are grasping at straws to defend your obvious hatred of a woman who IS spreading the truth (unlike you, who allows anything on here, no matter how crazy, as long as it debunks ZetaTalk).
You are entitled to your opinion. I have documentary evidence to the contrary. And I don't "hate" anyone. I do dislike her unconscionable behavior.
Cheryl Nelson on July 7, 2011 at 3:46pm:
I will come back in the Fall when Comet Elenin passes without causing anything. What will all you dupes say then? How about when the earth changes continue to get worse AFTER Comet Elenin passes far from earth? I guess whatever Cheryl's handlers decide is the next cover-up lie will be what this ning becomes.
You are welcome to return, if we are still here after Elenin and that which is following it have passed. We all hope we will still be here. And if we are, all the Elenin blogs will be here too. You seem to have a problem differentiating between posting something and embracing its content. You see, we EXAMINE and DISCUSS things here. That's why you see so much variety. Everyone here is free and encouraged to draw their own conclusions. But no matter what we decided, we respect each other.
p.s. Count how many members actually post here, it is a tiny number. Count how many people post on the Pole Shift Ning: A HUGE number. That should tell those with an open mind where the real action about earth changes, and it is NOT this "ning." Good luck when you can all see Planet X with your own eyes and realize you have been duped!
Again, Larry, you are forwarding yet another Nancy Lieder obsession (documented evidence). We are a family here. I believe people who belong here will be guided here. I post stats to show progress. Some of our members get discouraged when they don't see much discussion on their blogs, but their blogs are widely read. It is an encouragement, not the silly contest Nancy Lieder has tried to turn this into. By the way, from what I've heard, psning doesn't have that many posters, compared to the large amount of members they have. Who knows, maybe our percentage is not as "pathetic" as Nancy thinks.
My advice is to make sure your own preps are complete before August, just in case. Maybe Elenin & friend will take us down, maybe not. But it certainly could precipitate a panic if there are bumps in the road.
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Guess my rebuttal left "Larry" speechless. So, he went for what he thought were easier pickin's when he went after newly departed poleshift.ning member, Tammy Fielder, now on the New Madrid Simularities blog...
https://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A118256&commentId=6126809%3AComment%3A118639&xg_source=activity
Comment by Larry on Monday (July 18, 2011)...
Here you go, the reason why "Tammy Fielder" and so many others on here are in such incredible denial about the truth about Planet X. And the highly iconic thing: The Pole Shift Ning member who asked the question is being defamed on here. What IRONY!
We shall see in September, October or November 2011 when Comet Elenin passes and NOTHING happens as a result, shan't we? What will Cheryl say then about the earth changes that will not only continue but will get worse? Some other comet maybe? Just as long as Planet X as described and accurately predicted by the Zetas is NOT mentioned!
Is there something peculiar about human beings or human nature that causes so many to accept the most absurd theories and cover-up excuses for what is causing earth changes? (It appears anything is better than the truth for many, just as long as Planet X is not mentioned.) The Comet Elenin hoax/scare is a good example of an Establishment Lie designed to get people to believe an icy comet could cause a pole shift or other catastrophic events in 2011, but nearby Planet X which can sometimes be seen is almost constantly debunked. Can the Zetas comment or expand on this mystery of human psychology?
This is a type of denial. Denial takes many forms and can exist in degrees, and even reside side-by-side with acceptance of reality. People who are distressed by reality will grasp at anything that removes the discomfort and returns them to their former comfort level. They may dither, and vacillate between denial and acceptance, and this is quite common. Someone on the verge of accepting the reality of Planet X nearby, the logic of the ZetaTalk message explaining the Earth changes and the signs in the skies, can flip in and out of acceptance even during a single conversation. One minute they are saying yes, it must be true and the next repeating some disinformation line, clinging to this in fact. So much better for all the rumors about a coming cataclysm to be related to a mere dirty snowball, a common comet! All this hype about looking at the sky, anticipation of doom, and the suspicion that myths about past cataclysms were connected to something passing in the sky is merely confusion about comets. Ah, one can go back to live as normal again. That is, until reality starts to intrude. (Emphasis added by poster.) http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/16jy2011.htm
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Comment by Larry on Monday (July 18, 2011)
Oh, and please add this to your highly LYING and defamatory blog about alleged moderators or flunkies of the Pole Shift Ning. I noticed on Google that doing that has only made many more people read the truth, which reveals Cheryl Nelson is not only in extreme denial she is also not nearly as bright as she wants us to believe. Does anyone REALLY think that the ONLY people who accept ZetaTalk MUST be moderators of the Pole Shift Ning?
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Larry continued to violate the Golden Rule. All the Elenin blogs were here, as promised, when he returned but his rants didn't change. He was finally suspended. Eventually, he send an email accusing us of censorship, which we do not practice here. When Larry joined, he agreed to abide by our rules and he continually and flagrantly violated them. His purpose was to provoke a suspension just so he had "evidence" that we practice censorship. So, I posted this message for him:
01/28/12 Message to former member "Larry": Your threat to "expose" us as practitioners of censorship is just more of your twisting the truth and bullying. Anywhere our members see any of your defamation will be countered with a link to https://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blogs/classic-attacks-from-zetatalk and a note that you couldn't even follow the one rule we have here, the Golden Rule. It's clear you acted like a jerk just so you could provoke a suspension so you could feel somehow justified in doing just what you've threatened. This was no surprise. It was obvious what you were angling for.
Your pointing the finger on other sites at us just proves what a sad person you are. "Those guys over there practice censorship!!!!!!!" you howl. That's pretty funny, coming from a guy connected to the repressive poleshift.ning. They always like to transfer their sins over here and then point fingers. I guess times are desperate over there.
Be advised, Larry, the more you libel us, the closer you get to a defamation lawsuit, not to mention a criminal complaint for cyberbullying, which I believe is now considered terrorism. BTW, thank you for putting into writing your intent to defame and bully us. I'll add it to the growing pile of evidence I have of conspiracy amongst you and the poleshift.ningsters against this site and me personally.
Cheers!
Comments
You are absolutely right and I have here a link to a documentary by the Power Hour that is incredible in it's meticulous gathering of information and video proof of all the lies about what truly happened on 9/11
911 In Plane Site
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsRFGn_9Vw0
Uploaded by EyesOnCitrus on May 25, 2011
In Plane Site, the Power Hour documentary, Complete in it's Entirety, that was on the air in Canada in 2004!
When most of the world knows the truth about 911 it's a shame that American citizens are left in the dark. The military-industrial coalition has a vested interested in promoting discontent and war around the world. It's done at your expense and at the cost of your sons and daughters.
Larry Says:
I will be back to bust the Comet Elenin hoax wide open. In the meantime I have better things to do that read or post on a tiny, puny, nothing site like this that is spreading every lie and hoax out there...........
Hmmmmm, methinks the debunker doth protest too much.
Strange that you would be too busy to bother yourself about a puny nothing site like this . Yet you are here everyday as you very well know.. Your actions belie your words. Since you are too ignorant to know the difference between discussion of possibilities and findings. Let me do you and your weakened gray matter a favor and break it down for you. Last time I checked to present all the evidence available about a topic does not make the topic truth nor can one verify without hard facts. What is presented here are theories and information brought forth by individuals much better equipped and much more intelligent than either you or I. Could they be wrong? Absolutely, Such is the possible outcome of any hypothesis. Therefore the need to research and debate as well as quantify what facts are provable. You come here and spew your accusations. You read what you want to read and address the rest with your feverish ignorance. The truth Larry is that Nancy and Gerard would have banned you by now for your idiocy. We however keep you around because you amuse us. We invite you and anyone else to come back and discuss the fallacy of a failed warning. However, remember this and remember it clearly. The theories and information brought forth here come from many different sources the main one I believe being the Star Viewer Team in Spain. I find it hard to believe that one who would stoop so low as you have done here could have credentials to match that of any of the teams members. So forgive me if I take exception and discount your ranting as just that the ranting and ramblings of a lonely misguided soul who has absolutely nothing better to do with his time than haunt the pages of this puny , nothing Ning to make himself feel superior. Another quality I might add, that you share with Leider; " Delusions of Grandeur".
I look forward to the non responses that you post on this non page that you are so obviously not reading , lol you are a riot . Thank you for the laugh ;)
I don't want to suspend you, Larry. Keep coming back and reading, and if Elenin turns out to be more than NASA's "wimpy comet" then maybe your programming will short circuit and you can learn to think for yourself.
I hope you will at least use this opportunity as a fire drill to get ready, just in case. You know the saying, once a disaster hits, it's too late to prepare.
I will be back to bust the Comet Elenin hoax wide open. In the meantime I have better things to do that read or post on a tiny, puny, nothing site like this that is spreading every lie and hoax out there.
Guess what, Cheryl? I am not going to read one word of what you posted about me or anything else about ZetaTalk and the Pole Shift Ning. What would be the point of reading pure lies?
I am not Nancy Lieder and Cheryl knows it. Unlike the Pole Shift Ning members here are REQUIRED to provide an IP address in order to join (which is an improvement over requiring an IP address just to read as was the case for this so-called ning before).
Cheryl knows that the IP address I provided is in Texas. So unless Nancy Lieder has access to the software that the professional debunkers who plague this ning use to disguise they are not real people, then clearly I am NOT Nancy Lieder as I am posting from the State of Texas. Last time I heard, Nancy lives far away from Texas. So much for that theory, eh?
I will be back when Comet Elenin passes by and no pole shift happens. And you can forget all about trying to weasel out of the huge number of soon-to-be failed predictions and lies about Comet Elenin on here. Comet Elenin is a hoax designed to cover up the truth about Planet X! But apparently anything is better than the truth on here, no matter how absurd.
I am American and speak/write English as my first language. Nancy and I do have that in common, but to claim that just because I can put a sentence together in English and so can Nancy Lieder therefore than means we are one of the same person is also beyond ridiculous. But logical, rational thinking are certainly not what this ning is about it: Spreading lies is what it is about. Go ahead and suspend me; you know you want to.
I'm starting to believe that Zeta talk.com is a CIA/NWO disinformation source.
They are still putting out that it was a 'loaded airliner' that hit the Pentagon.
Just looking at the hole it 'supposedly' made is enough to show no aircraft of that size hit anything.
Also, looking at the metal light poles that were knocked down by this aircraft?
No way!
The Aircraft would have lost a wing and or cart wheeled into the ground.
Nope, I think the guy from Andromeda got it right.