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Next is my in-depth response to Larry's July 7th, 12:41 p.m. response, in Part 1 @

https://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A111975&xg_source=activity&page=9#comments

Cheryl Nelson on July 7, 2011 at 3:21pm:

This is part 1 of my response to Larry's 7/7/11 comment posted below.  His assertions are italicized. My rebuttals follow:

"First of all you have ZERO evidence that I have anything to do with the Pole Shift Ning, Gerard Zwaan, or Nancyd Lieder.  But you went right ahead and ASSUMED there is a connection."

You deny that you have a connection with poleshift.ning, GZ or NL, yet you talk just like them, style, content and so on. 

In your 7/6/2011 comment, you mentioned "black ops."   Nancy started that vicious rumor.  Where did you get the idea I am "black ops" except from her? 

You also said that I was "involuntarily removed as a moderator."  Only moderators were aware of that fact.  How would someone who has no connection know that?  Further, and to correct the record, I was not involuntarily removed as a moderator.  Gerard asked me to resign and I voluntarily complied with his request.

"Then you made a blog based on my comment and the comment of another person (who I assume is a moderator at the Pole Shift Ning, but how does Cheryl know that, got a list of the moderators to peruse?)."

Your point is mooted since I based my assumption on good evidence.  Does anyone here disagree that he  sounds like Nancy and other disruptors that have visited here? 

Then after accusing me of the "crime" of assuming something, you turn around and do the same thing:  "who I assume is a moderator..."  As for how I get my information, that's none of your business, but Mark IS a moderator.  Absolutely, no doubt in my mind based on documentary evidence.

"And talk about PARANOID!  Double wow!  Cheryl Nelson is practically the definition of paranoid based on insisting on IP addresses for all members, preapproval of all memberships, and choosing to take legit concerns about this site to such a level IMMEDIATELY.  Scared, Cheryl, of the truth getting out about you and this site being a ZetaTalk debunking site?"

Only a qualified medical professional can diagnose.  Are you practicing medicine here without a license?  What is the definition of paranoia?  Have you ever, if you are a qualified medical practicioner, met with me in person for consultation.  What authority, then, do you diagnose me as anything?  Because I asked for IP addresses?  Again, we have heard that insanity from Nancy Lieder, to whom you have no connection.  And the only reason I had to ask was because poleshift.ning spies, including Nancy and Gerard, were constantly coming here, violating my members' privacy by trawling the members' lists.  It is amazing how she provokes a reaction so she can use the reaction as some kind of ammunition, which is nothing more than just her taking a molehill and spinning it into a mountain.  My "PARANOIA" was nothing more than due diligence on my part to try to protect my members' privacy.

Your comment, "choosing to take legit concerns about this site to such a level IMMEDIATELY" isn't clear.  Are you saying that requiring IP numbers is a legitimate concern?  If so, then why do you consider that I am PARANOID?  And, if it is a legitimate concern, it needs to be addressed immediately.  So, what is your point?

Scared?  Not at all.  This site is protected, as I have said before.  We are an open society here.  I have been ridiculed and defamed a few times here, and I have let the expressions stand as a testament to the free speech we practice here.  Many here know me and can see what malarkey disruptors are spewing. 

Cheryl Nelson on July 7, 2011 at 3:44pm:

"Cheryl has almost no idea how her OWN posts all over the internet actually make her look like a complete fool.  Cheryl apparently THINKS she is smarter than everyone else.  Most people can recognize when someone is simply DISGRUNTLED and not legit, not trying to help people, just trying to make her own points no matter how absurd (like Comet Elenin being anything more than a small comet), and that is Cheryl Nelson."

Why do you care so much, Larry?  Are you obsessed with me?  Are you stalking me too? 

Actually, my posts contain plenty of indications that I don't pretend to be smarter than everyone.  As far as what's on the internet, if people even notice at all, they will see an honest person who doesn't hide she doesn't know everything. 

No one made you start this "ning" did they Cheryl?  But you want to CONTROL everything and LIE in the process, whatever it takes!

Again, more Nancy Lieder.  She who must obsessively control everything and has been busted in enough lies.  Actually, now that you remind me, I was influenced to start this ning.  By Nancy Lieder, when she began stalking me on poleshift ning and discrediting my posts.  I saw the end coming and started my own ning, since I had come to poleshift ning after running my own website and yahoogroups since 2003 (which still exists).  It was only logical to continue on with all the data I had accumulated.  I told Gerard about my new ning when I was still a member of psning and he didn't seem to have a problem with it at that time. 

Please provide PROOF that I am connected to ZetaTalk or the Pole Shift Ning.  There will be no proof because you cannot prove it (even with my IP address and email address).

What chutpah you have.  Libel me on my own ning without a shred of evidence then demand proof connecting you to ZT/NL/psning.  Your posts are my proof.  Does anyone here disagree that he is spewing Nancy Lieder/ Zetatalk/the poleshift ning agenda, and that there is no way he doesn't have a connection?  (BTW, Larry, I know this question is a fishing expedition to try to find out how I know things, like that Mark is a psning moderator.)

At least I have evidence for my statements.  Cheryl has ZERO evidence about me, simply jumped to CRAZY conclusions so she can leave my comment up and make a blog based on it (rather than delete it because that would expose Cheryl's LIE that she never suspends members or deletes anything because she does both).

Evidence does no good if it is never presented, Larry.  And libel, or less than personal knowledge does not constitute evidence.  And, as I just said, you are my star witness.  My conclusions aren't crazy when compared to your libelous, unsubstantiated accusations.  My conclusions would pass a reasonable person test. 

So including my comment as coming from the Pole Shift Ning is a total falsehood based on nothing.

Au contraire, Larry.  You, yourself, have proved it abundantly.

Thanks, again, Cheryl for proving me right about you.  You need professional help, the sooner the better.

As I showed above, unless you can prove you are a qualified medical professional and have examined me in depth, your diagnosis and suggestion to seek professional help are meaningless libel. 

I seriously doubt Nancy Lieder cares anything about your pathetic "ning."  You are grasping at straws to defend your obvious hatred of a woman who IS spreading the truth (unlike you, who allows anything on here, no matter how crazy, as long as it debunks ZetaTalk).

You are entitled to your opinion.  I have documentary evidence to the contrary.  And I don't "hate" anyone.  I do dislike her unconscionable behavior. 

Cheryl Nelson on July 7, 2011 at 3:46pm:

I will come back in the Fall when Comet Elenin passes without causing anything.  What will all you dupes say then?  How about when the earth changes continue to get worse AFTER Comet Elenin passes far from earth?  I guess whatever Cheryl's handlers decide is the next cover-up lie will be what this ning becomes.

You are welcome to return, if we are still here after Elenin and that which is following it have passed.  We all hope we will still be here. And if we are, all the Elenin blogs will be here too.  You seem to have a problem differentiating between posting something and embracing its content.  You see, we EXAMINE and DISCUSS things here.  That's why you see so much variety.  Everyone here is free and encouraged to draw their own conclusions.  But no matter what we decided, we respect each other.

p.s.  Count how many members actually post here, it is a tiny number.  Count how many people post on the Pole Shift Ning:  A HUGE number.  That should tell those with an open mind where the real action about earth changes, and it is NOT this "ning."  Good luck when you can all see Planet X with your own eyes and realize you have been duped!

Again, Larry, you are forwarding yet another Nancy Lieder obsession (documented evidence).  We are a family here.  I believe people who belong here will be guided here.   I post stats to show progress.  Some of our members get discouraged when they don't see much discussion on their blogs, but their blogs are widely read.  It is an encouragement, not the silly contest Nancy Lieder has tried to turn this into.  By the way, from what I've heard, psning doesn't have that many posters, compared to the large amount of members they have.  Who knows, maybe our percentage is not as "pathetic" as Nancy thinks. 

My advice is to make sure your own preps are complete before August, just in case.  Maybe Elenin & friend will take us down, maybe not.  But it certainly could precipitate a panic if there are bumps in the road.

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Guess my rebuttal left "Larry" speechless.  So, he went for what he thought were easier pickin's when he went after newly departed poleshift.ning member, Tammy Fielder, now on the New Madrid Simularities blog... 

https://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A118256&commentId=6126809%3AComment%3A118639&xg_source=activity

Comment by Larry on Monday (July 18, 2011)...

Here you go, the reason why "Tammy Fielder" and so many others on here are in such incredible denial about the truth about Planet X.  And the highly iconic thing:  The Pole Shift Ning member who asked the question is being defamed on here.  What IRONY!

We shall see in September, October or November 2011 when Comet Elenin passes and NOTHING happens as a result, shan't we?  What will Cheryl say then about the earth changes that will not only continue but will get worse?  Some other comet maybe?  Just as long as Planet X as described and accurately predicted by the Zetas is NOT mentioned!

Is there something peculiar about human beings or human nature that causes so many to accept the most absurd theories and cover-up excuses for what is causing earth changes? (It appears anything is better than the truth for many, just as long as Planet X is not mentioned.) The Comet Elenin hoax/scare is a good example of an Establishment Lie designed to get people to believe an icy comet could cause a pole shift or other catastrophic events in 2011, but nearby Planet X which can sometimes be seen is almost constantly debunked. Can the Zetas comment or expand on this mystery of human psychology?

This is a type of denial. Denial takes many forms and can exist in degrees, and even reside side-by-side with acceptance of reality. People who are distressed by reality will grasp at anything that removes the discomfort and returns them to their former comfort level. They may dither, and vacillate between denial and acceptance, and this is quite common. Someone on the verge of accepting the reality of Planet X nearby, the logic of the ZetaTalk message explaining the Earth changes and the signs in the skies, can flip in and out of acceptance even during a single conversation. One minute they are saying yes, it must be true and the next repeating some disinformation line, clinging to this in fact. So much better for all the rumors about a coming cataclysm to be related to a mere dirty snowball, a common comet! All this hype about looking at the sky, anticipation of doom, and the suspicion that myths about past cataclysms were connected to something passing in the sky is merely confusion about comets. Ah, one can go back to live as normal again. That is, until reality starts to intrude.  (Emphasis added by poster.) http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/16jy2011.htm

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Comment by Larry on Monday (July 18, 2011)

Oh, and please add this to your highly LYING and defamatory blog about alleged moderators or flunkies of the Pole Shift Ning. I noticed on Google that doing that has only made many more people read the truth, which reveals Cheryl Nelson is not only in extreme denial she is also not nearly as bright as she wants us to believe.  Does anyone REALLY think that the ONLY people who accept ZetaTalk MUST be moderators of the Pole Shift Ning?

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Larry continued to violate the Golden Rule.  All the Elenin blogs were here, as promised, when he returned but his rants didn't change.  He was finally suspended.  Eventually, he send an email accusing us of censorship, which we do not practice here.  When Larry joined, he agreed to abide by our rules and he continually and flagrantly violated them.  His purpose was to provoke a suspension just so he had "evidence" that we practice censorship.  So, I posted this message for him:

STEP RIGHT UP, FOLKS

Hear the snarls and sneers, see the aging allegations being thrown around,

observe cult mentalities in action, and find out what really lies behind those happy-face masks.

And don't forget to check back when you need a good laugh, because the circus has come to town!

This blog documents attacks from poleshift.ning.com.  You will see recurring themes which are highly suggestive of coming from one source, that source being Nancy Lieder, owner of Zetatalk.com and de facto owner of poleshift.ning.com.  I will be posting the newest rants on the bottom (reverse order is too hard to follow).  I have provided dates and times since links seem to be quickly outdated as new articles are posted (i.e., they are pushed backwards to earlier page numbers since the newest additions are always on page 1 in blogs, so scroll if the links don't hit it just right, or use the dates and times as a guide).

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On 6/19/2011, we were visited by Mark, acting in his official capacity as a poleshift.ning moderator, here to "set us right" and, failing that, try to discredit us and get some of our members to jump ship over to poleshift.ning.  Here's what he had to say...

"honestly Cheryl you have lost the plot girl - why on earth do you spend your days trying to debunk what is said on Zetatalk when the premise for your whole site is based on the information that they have provided?

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you - you wouldn't even know anything at all about the possibility of a poleshift if it wasn't for Zetatalk.  But you choose to take their words, twist them and then present what comes out as your own pronouncements as to what will happen regarding a potential poleshift.

A case in point is where you give your own guidelines as to safe heights to be inland and above sea level to survive the poleshift - different from the advice on the ZT site but still the same advice essentially - just the numbers altered to make it sound like you are the authority on the subject.

And also the amount of time you spend attacking ZT on your site (like in this post) when they are your bread and butter - you just can't admit that to yourself or to your small number of followers.

Then you make the situation worse for yourself by promoting establishment lies like comet Elenin, which makes you no better than a government shill. 

I mean, seriously, you've read something that provides you with some weak material that enables you to try and debunk a single ZT article from 5 years ago!!!  Your are obviously desperate!

When the earthchanges really pick up and the 7/10 events eventually hit the news, who do you think the public will turn to for information - your ning or Gerard's ning and Zetatalk?

You will very quickly become irrelevant but no doubt you will still be here spouting your crap, not realising that no-one is listening anymore.

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"Larry" posted these comments on the Elenin/Dwarf Star JPL Event Timeline blog @ https://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A95262&commentId=6126809%3AComment%3A111216&xg_source=activity:

Comment by Larry on July 6, 2011 at 1:37pm

I have carefully looked into matters and reached a conclusion:  This is a ZetaTalk debunking site and not much more!  Cheryl Nelson left the Pole Shift Ning when she was involuntarily removed as a moderator (no matter what else she claims).  Until that happened she fullly accepted that something big is coming and no government is telling the common man what it is and that thing is PLANET X!

So Cheryl, being power mad and INSANELY jealous of the attention Nancy Lieder receives as the only true emissary of the Zetas, started her own ning where she could be in complete control.  ZetaTalk that Cheryl used to accept as true became NZL (Nancy ZetaTalk?) instead in a pathetic attempt to explain away Nancy, ZetaTalk and the Pole Shift Ning she used to support.

Sounds like sour grapes and a sore loser to me!

But guess what?  Although black ops agents early identified Cheryl as a possible way to bring down the Pole Shift Ning, the joke is on her!  This "ning" is crawling with professional debunkers who are pushing ANYTHING other than Planet X as the true cause of the now obvious, unexplained earth changes.

Furthermore, Cheryl is NOT what she claims to be:  An Old Soul with an important mission or role (ALL Old Souls on earth are Star Children and a Cheryl is an immature earth soul).  Please give me a major league break!  In communication with "good" Zetas?  CZL (Cheryl ZetaTalk, all made up to make herself look as important as Nancy because the evidence is going against Cheryl, her handlers, and the dupes on here).

Go ahead and suspend me.  Don't care!  I am wasting my time here as others have discovered for themselves.  But I will watch to see if all the Comet Elenin blogs disappear when a puny comet does NOT cause a pole shift in September or October 2011.  How do I know?  Becuase this site NEVER, EVER admits the HUGE number of past failed predictions on here.  That's how I know.

The sad part:  When all of you realized you have been duped by someone taking orders from agents who are trying to take down ZetaTalk and the Pole Shift Ning as soon as possible because they are the PRIMARY source for spreading the Truth, you will probably not remember who was telling the TRUTH all along because you will be too busy rushing to prepare for the pole shift and precursor disaters caused by PLANET X, that's why!  Good luck and please remember this lesson.  Just because syrup drips from someone's mouth does NOT mean they are service to other, not at all.

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Here are my reponses on the ELEnin/Dwarf Star JPL Event Timeline blog ...

https://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A95262&xg_source=activity&page=22#comments

Comment by Cheryl Nelson on July 6, 2011 at 7:10pm

Oh, Larry, Larry, Larry.  You've been so programmed by Miss Lieder, you sound just like her.  How do you like sounding like a 70-year old woman suffering from senile dementia?  I pity you so.  Everything you say is not original, as she has said it first and the others she sends here sound just like her too. You are just a wind-up doll doing her dirty work and when the axe falls (and it's coming) you will fall with it and she'll just scurry away leaving others holding her bag of dirty tricks. 

If she really is with the Zs, how come this site continues to exist despite her venomous assaults?  Because it is her schoolhouse lesson in how to learn typical gov't disinfo tactics?  How come all she can throw at us is trolls from NY (not Plano, TX)?  Or how about poleshift.ning moderator Mark?  You types come in to do a quick shit and run, always.  Well, that's SOP.  Now that you've done your S&R, please wipe your butt on the way out. 

You think you've done your homework on me?  LOL, you and your comrades haven't said anything true about me yet; nothing but parroting the lies that is your daily food.  Aren't you getting sick of the rants?  Aren't you a bit off target trying to silence another voice warning people of potential disasters?  Do you really think seven billion people are going to come to poleshift.ning?  Most of the planet's people don't even have internet.  Even a billion people would crash the servers.  What an ass she is to hang on to a monopoly.  By doing her ego trip, she is denying so many people information.  We NEED more sites like this.  But Miss Lieder was soooo against that idea because of her ego tripping.  Get real, man.  Everyone can't possibly turn to zetatalk and psning during the 11th hour, it would be impossible.

So, good boy, Mr. Lap Dog, you did your duty/doodie, but you accomplished nothing except prove my point about what's going on over at psning and what a piece of work Miss Lieder truly is. 

But you certainly haven't done your homework on Miss Lieder, now have you?  I rebutted all her snarling, sneering allegations last year WITH PROOF.  Seen it yet?  If you haven't, well then you haven't done all your homework.  Bet she hasn't even told you it exists.  She, on the other hand, has proven nothing that I am what she claims I am.  She offers NOTHING except empty, unprovable words.  And yes, I have witnessed her using false ZT on me.  And yes, I have found holes in ZT science.  And I and others have witnessed her have a psychotic break.  THAT is why she's gunning for me.  To silence the truth. 

And, back then, she equated me with Mother Teresa.  And I still have the email.  Gasp!  Was Mother Nancy wrong?  Back then, no.  (Don't construe that to mean that I think I am anything like Mother Teresa, but I am STO, and just for the record, I've had readings from several channels who independently confirm that I am a star child, an old soul.)  So, what changed her mind?  Jealousy.  She's a stage hog.  No one but her is going to be the star.  The thing she totally missed is I have no desire for limelight or power or anything of that ilk.  I wasn't jealous of her at all.  In fact, I was rather fond of her until she had her psychotic break.  (Remember DR, Shadow & Karen Lee were all there and witnessed it too.) 

Anyway, jealousy, power and all that are low vibration third density traps which she has squarely fallen into.  Why would I take the abuse I get here, solely from her or her people, if I wasn't here on a mission to inform people of the coming danger?  I stay at my post despite all your fantasies. 

Actually, though, Nancy has proven one thing:  she has proven that she is a vile, slanderous STS has-been who has undue influence over the minds of vulnerable people.  Like yourself. 

You are here to do nothing but disrupt.  No one here buys your kind of talk because people have gotten to know me and I have long-ago proven Miss Lieder to be something less than a truthful, STO being.  So, you are talking to the air.  And your own vicious attack proves you aren't an STO being either.  Funny how like attracts like, isn't it?  Well, she and your type can say all you want.  My hands are clean. 

When you are inside a cult, you think you and your comrades are the only sane ones.  But everyone on the outside of the cult see an entirely different picture. You can't see how crazy you sound and how lame your arguments are and how all the sneering and snarling makes you look like an incredibly nasty person.  Everything you said about me is baseless.  Where's the proof?  Because Nancy said so?  Or Nancy said the Zetas said so?  That's not proof.  There is no documentary evidence.  There are no witnesses.  She can say anything she pleases and who can verify it?  That's dangerous.  Look at Harold Camping.  How is Nancy any different from him?

However, no matter how nasty your comment was, I will turn your pathetic attempt at "attack" into something good.

[This "discussion" continues onto the Classic Attacks blog.]

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"Larry's next response appears on this, the Classic Attacks, blog @ https://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A111975&commentId=6126809%3AComment%3A112858&xg_source=activity . 

Larry denies he has any connection with poleshift.ning, GZ or NL, yet he talks just like them.  If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck...well, then, it must be a duck! 

Comment by Larry on July 7, 2011 at 12:41pm:

Wow.  Thanks, Cheryl, for proving my points!

First of all you have ZERO evidence that I have anything to do with the Pole Shift Ning, Gerard Zwaan, or Nancyd Lieder.  But you went right ahead and ASSUMED there is a connection. 

Then you made a blog based on my comment and the comment of another person (who I assume is a moderator at the Pole Shift Ning, but how does Cheryl know that, got a list of the moderators to peruse?).

And talk about PARANOID!  Double wow!  Cheryl Nelson is practically the definition of paranoid based on insisting on IP addresses for all members, preapproval of all memberships, and choosing to take legit concerns about this site to such a level IMMEDIATELY.  Scared, Cheryl, of the truth getting out about you and this site being a ZetaTalk debunking site?

Cheryl has almost no idea how her OWN posts all over the internet actually make her look like a complete fool.  Cheryl apparently THINKS she is smarter than everyone else.  Most people can recognize when someone is simply DISGRUNTLED and not legit, not trying to help people, just trying to make her own points no matter how absurd (like Comet Elenin being anything more than a small comet), and that is Cheryl Nelson.

No one made you start this "ning" did they Cheryl?  But you want to CONTROL everything and LIE in the process, whatever it takes!

Please provide PROOF that I am connected to ZetaTalk or the Pole Shift Ning.  There will be no proof because you cannot prove it (even with my IP address and email address).

At least I have evidence for my statements.  Cheryl has ZERO evidence about me, simply jumped to CRAZY conclusions so she can leave my comment up and make a blog based on it (rather than delete it because that would expose Cheryl's LIE that she never suspends members or deletes anything because she does both).

So including my comment as coming from the Pole Shift Ning is a total falsehood based on nothing.

Thanks, again, Cheryl for proving me right about you.  You need professional help, the sooner the better.

I seriously doubt Nancy Lieder cares anything about your pathetic "ning."  You are grasping at straws to defend your obvious hatred of a woman who IS spreading the truth (unlike you, who allows anything on here, no matter how crazy, as long as it debunks ZetaTalk).

I will come back in the Fall when Comet Elenin passes without causing anything.  What will all you dupes say then?  How about when the earth changes continue to get worse AFTER Comet Elenin passes far from earth?  I guess whatever Cheryl's handlers decide is the next cover-up lie will be what this ning becomes.

p.s.  Count how many members actually post here, it is a tiny number.  Count how many people post on the Pole Shift Ning:  A HUGE number.  That should tell those with an open mind where the real action about earth changes, and it is NOT this "ning."  Good luck when you can all see Planet X with your own eyes and realize you have been duped!

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