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First Quakes Now Sinkhole


A large sinkhole has opened up near Sayre, Okla., and people in the region are wondering if it's related to a string of small earthquakes shaking the region.

The hole opened up a couple of days after one of the earthquakes about two weeks ago, the property caretaker told NBC station KFOR.

"Kind of spooky. You don't want to mess with it today," Jack Damron told KFOR.

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"Glad my house wasn't over it," neighbor Tony Bills told the station. 

KFOR reported that geologists are dubious of a connection between the quakes and the sinkhole. Scientists at the Oklahoma Geological Survey said the sinkhole could have been caused by drought conditions, the dissolving of salt or rock formations, or draining of an old coal mine.

The area, about 40 miles northeast of Oklahoma City, was struck on Nov. 5 by a magnitude 5.6 quake, the strongest ever recorded in the state. There had been a 4.7 quake earlier in the day. The big quake caused minor damage to buildings and roads in the area.

And the shaking has continued since then. There have been a string of small quakes over the past week; the strongest was a 3.7 on Thanksgiving. There was a 2.7 on Tuesday morning.

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SanJAsKa: Transmute Fear Into Love

-Channeled through Wes Annac-

This is my first time vocally channeling SanJAsKa, and I have also provided text of the message in the usual format. However, I recommend listening to the message to properly feel the energies. :)

The old energy on your world and in your bodies is being lifted away from you now, and this is manifesting as a series of events in your personal and collective lives that are to take you upward and away from your lower patterns and habits. We guide to you that this will only come about if you are ready for it, and those who are not ready for it will soon be readying themselves to once again be in a suitable third dimensional environment where they can live out their experiences as suited.  Many of you however are now embracing the new fifth dimensional Earth, you are embracing the new events that are to manifest that you have been told about through your various methods of getting information from us.

We are as active as ever, working to spread the Light on Earth, and working with our allies who are each and every one of you. Indeed, every one of you is working for the Light in ways that are so majestic and wonderful, but that you have yet to fully grasp and understand. Dear souls of planet Earth, if you could even have just an inkling of the perspective that we have, you would see how much good for the Light you are doing. You would see how much your work is helping and how much your hard efforts have paid off. Soon you will be seeing this in full manifestation on your world, and it will be a time so Joyus, so wonderful, so heavenly and harmonious, that you may not at first know what to do with yourselves.

However, we will be with you, helping to spread the Joy, helping to spread the Harmony, and helping you to become the Galactic Civilization that you know you are destined to be. The time ahead may seem a bit tumultuous, but at the same time we are going to get so much done for the Earth, dear souls. We are going to spread so much warmth, so much Love, and you will all be in an immense state of appreciation when you realize that your Lives will finally be Harmonious and happy as you have always wished for them to be dear souls!

We know (that) the time leading up to these events has been hectic. We know that the last stages of the dark writhing around only to be essentially transmuted on your world; we know this has been difficult for you to bear, for you to endure. We know it has been very difficult for you to see the news reports of ‘same old same old’ we know it has been difficult for you to feel like your world is not changing in any way, but dear Lightworkers it is! Many of you have been on this, what you call the ‘New Age Belief’ for a very long time, some of you decades, and you have waited these decades as patiently as you possibly could, just waiting for a sign from the Divine, from your Mother/Father God, from us, that something was changing, that something new was emerging, that something different is finally occurring!

We guide to you now, that you are in the time where you will see these signs. You will see these changes. Dear souls, your hard work is to pay off! We ask you now to congratulate yourselves, but at the same time we must let you know that there is still work to be done. Many of our Earth Allies, which is an ever-expanding group of souls that is expanding to include every one of you Lightworkers; many of you are now stepping up to the plate, more than you ever anticipated you would be at this time, more than you ever thought you would be when you were just awakening to us and our messages, when you were just awakening to the fact that there is something past this third dimensional reality that you have grown more than used to.

Many of you have pledged your entire Lives in service of the Divine and we say this is good! This is what is needed for you and for your Light to expand. You need to have a full dedication to us and to the Light, you need to have a dedication to your inner spirituality, your inner Divine self, because this Divine self is bursting forth and helping you to create the new world you have so desired!

We know it has been difficult. We know it has been a rough journey but we assure you we have been with you every step of the way dear souls! We have been there, even when you could not feel us. We wish now for you to know how much we have truly been with you in your past and in even your most recent history. We are with all of you who are growing, who are expanding, who are reading our messages. We are with you and we wish you to know this, we have wished you to know this for so very long dear souls. We are with you, we do feel you! We feel your hurt, your pain, your emotions of distress that serve to put up a blockade in your Life and teach you that there is nothing past the unhappiness and past the waiting.

We have been there with you, and though we have what you could call a higher dimensional shield that serves to shield us from the most intense of your lower dimensional energy, we can still feel the sadness that pervades many of your spirit complexes. We can feel this, and when we feel this we embrace your sadness with Love and we ask you to open up to this Love dear souls for this Love is great, this Love is omnipotent, and this Love will serve to uplift you more than you can realize at present dear souls! We ask you now when you read our messages, feel the pulsing in your foreheads, in your third eye. Feel the opening up of your heart chakra as you read our messages and (as you) listen to our audio-file channelings on your internet.

Soon we will not just be on your internet in written or transcribed form. Soon we will be on your television sets, we will be on your computers of course but we will (also) be on your radios. We will be everywhere. And it will be nothing like the 1930s ‘War of the Worlds’ fear scenario that has been pumped in (your heads). Of course many of you have probably heard, that back in those times there was a radio broadcast that said that ‘aliens’ were taking over the world, destroying homes and killing whole families and this caused many souls to be in immense fear of us and in immense fear of the entire idea of extraterrestrials (visiting Earth). It was later revealed that this was only a radio-broadcasted play made by a famous writer that many of you still know (of) to this day.

Dear souls we wish you to know that that event occurred entirely on purpose; that event happened to install the very fear that is now coming up in many souls concerning extraterrestrials. This fear has only been acted on and further pumped out in your media and in your movies, but we ask you now to let that fear go. Many of you have heard that we will be having you board our motherships if such is your wish whenever we fully land on Earth. This is true, but we wish you to know you must see past (audio briefly fades out) you must see past the fear of ‘alien invaders’ that wish to ‘stump’ or ‘trick’ you. You must see past this and know that we are your Divine brothers and sisters in spirit and in embodiment. Though we reside in the higher realms, we choose to take on a higher dimensional expression of body, and (ou rs) is the very ‘higher dimensional expression of body’ that many of you may choose to take on.  You will have the choice to ascend, and to let your body ascend with you to a new crystalline form, or to discarnate and further your evolution (in that manner). Either way your evolution will be furthered dear souls but you will have the choice as to just how this comes (about).

This is all for now, we Love you all so very dearly and we ask you to continue to anchor the Light and the Love. We ask you to continue to proclaim your Love for the Divine Violet Flame, your expressions of the Logos energy that is coming through you. We ask you to embrace this, and not to embrace fear. When you learn to embrace the Love, fear dissipates away as you integrate it as just one of the many layers of Divine energy. As you integrate this fear, its very essence, its very being transmutes into the Love that you have manifested in yourselves and on your Earth plane.

Thank you to SanJAsKa.

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Vatican Has Full Attention On Charged Particles

After Amy's recent postings about the Vatican, Earth Change Media is carrying this article...

(Part-I) Vatican Has Full Attention On Charged Particles
by Mitch Battros - Earth Changes Media

In my recent research, sparked by the statement of Pope Benedict XVI in confronting the current United Nations conference on climate change, I have stumbled upon the true focus - with a residue of urgent attention coming from the papacy.

I am amazed at the depth of interest coming from both Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II, as it relates not only to the Sun-Earth connection, but to the inter-connectivity of the universe. Of course, it is understandable as one reflects upon the creation of the Heavens and the Earth; however, my research suggests the Vatican is interested in far more than the understanding of God.

Now It Gets Eerily Uncomfortable

The Vatican has recently summoned the greatest scientific minds in the world. Their interest is not just to understand the scientific understanding of creation, such as the "big bang", but to be advised of recent discoveries of charged particles.

Oh yes, charged particles. Not just the general meaning of what they are, but how and "why" they are. Pope Benedict XVI is particularly interested in the CERN experiments. Not just to reflect upon a scientists understanding of the 'big bang', but to question the causal effect charged particles have on humans.

As I'm digging into Vatican documents hidden in plain-sight, a picture has developed. I conjecture the Vatican is comparing what they posses in ancient text, materials, scrolls, first hand originals items of which none of us are aware - to recent scientific discoveries from spacecrafts Fermi, Plank, Wise, Chandra, and Cassini. Why these? Each one of them has brought back new information from deep space (universe) which has turned scientific formulas (understandings) on its head. Scientific bodies literally have to re-write the books.

What have they found?

I can only share what I know; although I probably know more than most, I don't know it all. What new data has revealed is a tangible correlation between charged particles (plasma) and a rhythmic orchestration between all living things - from the universe, to the stars, to the planets, to humans. Yes, it is what the Mayans call ether, the Christians call spirit, the Chinese call Chi, the Japanese call Ki, the Indians call Prana.

Yes, I know, many of you are saying to yourself: "I already knew that." But did you? Did you think the top scientists of the world believed this? Did you think religions would embrace the science of charged particles? Did you believe the Pope himself would science and spirit are one?


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Just as Byron and I discussed last night, they are rolling out their agenda, read this from press tv.


Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:26PM GMT


Britain's Home Office has made an appeal for the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to draw up contingency plans to deal with a deadly radioactive or “dirty bomb” attack during the London 2012 Olympic Games.

As the British government fears a possible radioactive attack at one of the venues outside heavily protected London during the 2012 Olympic Games, a rapid reaction force of 1,000 personnel has been ordered to be on stand-by in order to deal with a “mass casualty incident,” revealed the Sunday Mirror on 27 November.

The 1,000-strong contingency force-which is drawn from the Army, Navy, and the Royal Air Force-is in addition to the 8,000 soldiers who will help Scotland Yard police the Olympic Games.

“The Home Office has requested that the MoD provide a contingency force of 1,000 personnel to assist the emergency services to resolve unforeseen safety and security incidents,” read a note sent to commanders involved in the MoD's Op Olympic.

“It is identifying additional defence support that might be required in such circumstances, for example radiological detection at non-London venues,” added the Op Olympic papers.

The British government's contingency plans come as London's safety was seriously questioned after unprecedented unrest swept across the country in August.

China was the first country raising concerns over London's safety as a report on China's state-run Xinhua news agency said "the image of London has been severely damaged, leaving the people skeptical and worried about the public security situation during the London Olympics."

Furthermore, the US officials suggested that they would bring one thousand security agents, including 500 FBI agents, to the Olympic Games in order to protect their athletes and diplomats.




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A personal message from Luca Scantamburlo 

I wish that my achievements and the attention I have had so far abroad - especially in North luca_scantamburlo.jpgAmerica with UFO Digest, Alien Seeker News, James A. Jancik, V. Viggiani, R. Syrett, Kevin Smith and Project Camelot (Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy), but even in Australia with Dr. Michael Salla and Duncan Roads - may help the decision makers and the general public to deal with the difficult future that we, all of us, have on the horizon.


Because of private reasons and decisions, I am not a journalist any more - according to Italian law - since about a couple of weeks ago.

I decided (it was my own decision) to quit the lower class of journalism (called 'Pubblicisti') listed in the Italian national register of journalism. The higher is the "professional" one; so from now, I am a simple citizen and not any more a member of the mass media. I still have my Arts degree (B.A., with a work in Bioethics, earned in 2006 at the "Ca'Foscari" Venetian University ) and I can still say I have a prior national experience (even international in the last 15 months) as a freelancer, from 2000 until 2008, but always without any kind of contract. Of course I am still going to find a publisher for my unpublished essay named "The American Armageddon"...

Maybe one day you will have the chance to read my book. Read about it in "The Scientific Search for a Missing Planet" article, spread recently on my website

But I will not spend time any more on difficult matters. Not because it is not important, but because I have to work to live, and it seems that the publishers and the big media are too busy on other topics to pay attention to what is going on in the Solar System and underground, here on Earth...

Moreover, I have to protect my relatives and friends. As a matter of fact, during the last few months I have had a lot of pressure from unknown individuals...

At the moment, there is another important question: if I want to live and survive, of course I need to work somewhere. And every firm has its own deontological aspect of the contract for its employees. It is mandatory to respect it, even after the end of any kind of contract if requested by the Law.



The so-called "Jesuit Footage", sent in 2000 by post to Cristoforo Barbato - by the Italian Jesuit belonging to the S.I.V. - WAS NEVER AVAILABLE on the Web, even now. I myself baptized it the "Jesuit Footage" to draw public attention to it. It was an edited clip of about two minutes regarding observations in deep space of a planetoid with a thick atmosphere (the presumed Planet X), while it was approaching to the Solar System but still beyond Neptune's orbit.

It was never released to the public, either by Barbato or by anyone else; the only available footage on the Web similar (but not the same) to the Jesuit Footage is the mysterious NSD42_secret_video___unknown_planet, uploaded on by the user name "Satorotas" ("Male, 74, Switzerland"), on May 19, 2007.

This is shorter than the Jesuit Footage, but it looks like a presumed shot of the same planetoid with the thick atmophere visible in the original film given to Barbato.

About the acronym NSD42

You can read some information here at the Federation of American Scientists (FAS):, where it states:

...the NSC staff has determined that the release of the format of NSD 42 could cause damage to the national security.

About is a new and fast growing video and photo sharing community dedicated to the mysteries, secrets, anomalies, conspiracies and other alternative or unexplained topics of this world - the first of its kind.

Later on, the same footage spread by "Satorotas" was spread on YouTube by another user, by the name of "ebe2012 ".

[Project Camelot note: this video has now been removed.]

But I must point out that the Jesuit Footage was probably a copy of a copy recorded on a VHS tape, and the shots and the length are different, as are the amount of visible details.



2012: Rendezvous With Marduk
by Burak Eldem

With 2012: Rendezvous With Marduk Burak Eldem took the first step for a three-volume series. The book was an instant blockbuster in Turkey, being the "Number 9" of 2003 and "Number 5" of 2004, among best-selling books in Turkey. In November 2004, his first novel, "Talismans Save Thee" was published, and went as high as Number 2 on best-selling lists. It was a modern fantastic fiction on "immortality", an international conspiracy and a 5000 years old ancient secret.
source: Burak Eldem]



In 1999, Adriano Forgione - former editor-in-chief of the Italian magazine Dossier Alieni - published a report about Planet X and Sitchin's works. In the report (see the Italian bimonthly magazine Dossier Alieni no.20, September-October 1999), there was the reproduction of two amazing pictures - unpublished at that time - taken by a presumed space probe. According to his unknown source of information who gave him the two pictures, the space probe was Siloe. Forgione thought that Siloe could be Pioneer 10. In my opinion he did a good job, but he was wrong about this last consideration.

In January 2000, Adriano Forgione again published the two photos in the first number of a new Italian magazine he had created called Hera.

But later on - in 2002, if I remember well - Forgione became very skeptical about the existence of "Planet X" (the "12th Planet", according to the Sumerians and Sitchin), and his initial convictions, and said that he could not rely any more on his secret source of information who gave to him the pictures and other information about Siloe. The source simply vanished - although Forgione tried to contact him again.

According to my research, the two pictures are almost certainly coming from the Pioneer 10 space probe, and not from Siloe. Pioneer 10 was sent in the 1970s by NASA, and was still operational in December 1992, when it was deflected by a probable TNO (Trans-Neptunian Object). See the BBC News Online report about this entitled "Old Spacecraft Makes Surprise Discovery", by Dr. David Whitehouse on 28 September 1999, mentioned even by Forgione.

In my tentative opinion, the deflection was not by chance, but the result of a scheduled encounter during an extended and classified mission.

I carried out extended private research, in public scientific articles, that shows up a strange number of coincidences. That's why I am reasonably sure that Pioneer 10 did not meet that mysterious TNO by chance.

About the two photos: Barbato told me in a written interview, granted to me in 2006, that in the past he asked the Italian Jesuit about the two photos. He had answered he had no idea where they came from, or who was Forgione's "deep throat"; but he said they could be reliable.

He also said that he contacted Barbato - and only Barbato - under authorization.

This therefore means that in such a case, the person who contacted Forgione and gave him the two pictures was not from the Holy See, and the pics were not taken from Siloe.

It make sense because the photos were given to Forgione - there is a scan of them in B/W on the internet somewhere, but the originals published in the magazines are in different shades of blue - before Barbato was contacted by the Jesuit.



Morever, during a public conference in Abano Terme taken place some years ago (Padova, Italy, 2002?) Adriano Forgione - recollecting his meeting in Rome in 1999 with Bob Dean and the private conversation they had - said:

Robert Dean [...] mi aveva detto che si vociferava il ritorno nel 2003 (eravano nelí99)Öe la NASA aveva realizzato anche due fotografie che poi sono state immediatamente tolte da internet. source of transcript:

So, Bob Dean would have said that NASA would have taken some pictures of Nibiru, and these pictures were available for a short time on the Web - but later the links disappeared. The year mentioned by Dean about a possible return of Nibiru (Planet X) was wrong, of course. Nothing happened in 2003. But it could be that Dean received some correct and incorrect information at the same time. As usual, someone was author of a leak of information, with kernels of truth and disinformation at the same time. It is curious that the year 2003 is very close to the beginning of something else: visible effects in the Solar System of strange perturbations. The Italian Jesuit said to Barbato that by 2004, at the latest beginning, the Planet X (the Sumerian 'Nibiru') would have begun to affect the Solar System with its presence.

I do not think Robert Dean will talk again about it... though he did a lot in the past. Now he is getting older and I guess he may be tired. He is still a gentleman and a very smart man, but I think we should respect his decision to stay away from the discussions, and leave him in peace...

If we pay attention now to what is going on in the Solar System (there is climate change on several planets, especially with storms in the southern emispheres of the planets - see Saturn and recently even Venus), we should find all the pieces of this cosmic riddle...



As a matter of public record, during a lecture in September 1995, Philip Schneider (USA, 1947-1996) answered a gentleman's question about a cosmic object and said, using the name "Nemesis" instead of Nibiru:

Nemesis is a brown dwarf [...] probably hollow, maybe not a star at all [...] and it is so massive it is dragging comets and meteoric material with it, and space garbage and debris. It will be a threat. Supposedly... it will be here in 2052. Nobody knows for certain...

[source: speech of Philip Schneider at PREPAREDNESS EXPO '95, Sept 22-24, 1995.

I think that the mass indicated by Schneider (which I didn't mention here) is wrong. Maybe he was wrong by a factor of ten (ten times lighter than what he indicated, according to my knowledge...). I think even the year [2052] indicated by Schneider is wrong (too far away) but - as he said - nobody can be sure. Perhaps he got just pieces of information, and then mixed together information about two different celestial objects of the Solar System, neither of which were officially recognized by the scientific community.

Good luck to all of you, and remember: Feel free to do your own homework... as the courageous Phil used to say.

Luca Scantamburlo

Italy, March 24, 2008.

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"The Omega Secret"
"Secretum Omega"
by Cristoforo Barbato


(Copyright 2006, Cristoforo Barbato)

Translated from Italian by Robert Morningstar and Matteo Sarti


Part I


On the April 30, 2006 the "UFO? The Truth is Top Secret: From Area 51 to Planet X Conference ", organized by the "UFO Observer Cultural Association" was held in the Palazzo della Provincia of Pescara, Italy. Photo used with the kind permission of Cristoforo Barbato -

During the conference I spoke about underground bases in the USA and dedicated the last fifteen minutes of my speech to a very short summary of my work during last five years that had gone in a new direction and is the leading topic of my future lectures. In the year 2000, I was working in Rome as an editor in the "Stargate" magazine and I wrote many articles about the Fatima Apparitions that took place in Portugal in 1917 and their famous Third Secret, as well as, other Vatican State-related mysteries. After the initial publication of these articles, I started to receive many e-mails from a person who identified himself as a Vatican insider. The mysterious man attempted to contact me anonymously and intermittently because he was interested in me and my research into Fatima.

From those e-mails, a story emerged regarding an enigmatic Vatican Intelligence Agency named "S.I.V.", a code from "Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano". In those letters, there was interesting information and in one of these he advised me that I would receive a video tape about observations of a presumed "10th Planet" coming closer to our Solar System. The video was taken by a space craft, part of a deep space program, started in the early 1990s, called "Siloe."

Through these details, I understood that the writer knew much more information than he was relating to me. For about one year, there were informal contacts via email and postal letters during which he revealed to me that he was a Jesuit member of "S.I.V." and worked in Rome for a certain department of the Holy See, which I verified without his knowledge. Subsequently, I was able (with great difficulty) to arrange the first personal meeting in a public location in the capital (Rome) during which he continued to reveal more information to me.

I greatly desired the first personal meeting, which occurred in 2001, as a condition "sine qua non" because until then I was obviously skeptical (dubious) and untrusting of him even though the information and the video tape were interesting. It was during that meeting that all my doubts completely disappeared when he showed me his credentials, some of which corresponded with what I had previously checked out by myself. In addition, he revealed to me that he was authorized to supervise the so-called "Secretum Omega" ("The Omega Secret"), the highest secrecy category in the Roman Catholic Church, equivalent to (the military's) "Cosmic Top Secret" in NATO.

As prearranged, the dialogue between us was structured in a question and answer form with a stated agreement that I would pose precise questions. Although the format of the meeting was respected (despite my desire to ask various different questions) in the short time available, some of his answers reversed the original setup regarding some subjects. However, the following conversation still represents the main part of the dialogue but not all of it because I decided not to reveal some of the details for the moment.

The Interview with "The Jesuit"

Barbato [B] : How did you become a member of S.I.V. (Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano)?

Gesuita [G] : The S.IV. is composed of different elements, all of which are connected to the Church and mainly composed, at least the Directorate, of priests, the majority of whom are taken from the Jesuit Order, Benedictine Monks and Nuns; in total, a few more than 100 members.

There could be fewer members but if one considers all parts of the world where there is a priest or a nun, each is also a potential source of precise information. Some elements of S.I.V. were and are taken from lay areas and institutions, internally connected to the Church, for example, humanitarian associations, political groups close to the Holy See, "young Catholics" movements and others. My background was similar to these.

Briefly, the members were secretly overseen, directed and formed according to determined criteria in certain fields. Nowadays, all of us realize subsequently that we had a personal "guardian angel" or mentor.

[B] : Could you give us more details about S.I.V.? Why was it created and how long has it been active…?

[G] : The structure is "Top Secret" but for the moment I can tell you that it is organized in a manner analogous to other intelligence organizations like CIA, MI-6, the KGB, etc. It doesn't have an official seat but new a location for reunion is chosen from time to time, always under the oversight of Vatican City. From a chronological point of view, the spark, which ignited the start of said organization, was caused by an event during the first half-decade of the 1950s in the United States, precisely in February of 1954.



"The Omega Secret"
"Secretum Omega"
by Cristoforo Barbato

(Copyright 2006, Cristoforo Barbato)

Translated from Italian by Robert Morningstar and Matteo Sarti



On the April 30, 2006 the "UFO? The Truth is Top Secret: From Area 51 to Planet X Conference ", organized by the "UFO Observer Cultural Association" was held in the Palazzo della Provincia of Pescara, Italy. Photo used with the kind permission of Cristoforo Barbato -

This event was the meeting that occurred in California at Muroc Airfield (which later became Edwards Air Force Base) of an alien delegation with the President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, attended by the Bishop of Los Angeles, James Francis McIntyre.

The meeting was filmed by the military with 3 16mm cameras, placed at different points, loaded with color film and spring drive motors; that is because each camera operator had to change the film every 3 minutes and because in the presence of the aliens, electric motor did not work. In total they shot 20 minutes of film in 7 rolls, each of them 30 meters in length.

At the end of the meeting, each member of the Earth delegation swore never to reveal to anyone what he had seen and what he had heard about the aliens. Don't ask me where the film is because I think that you must know the answer. Anyway, some days later, McIntyre, probably disappointed to have sworn himself to secrecy, departed in a hurry with the goal of meeting with Pope Pius XII to inform him of the incredible event.

But in order to reach Italy, Bishop McIntyre had to fly first to New York and then proceed to Rome, always in private aircraft. About half an after take-off from Los Angeles, the airplane suddenly experience technical difficulties and was forced to make an emergency landing at Skyhaven Airport, Las Vegas, NV during the night. During the time that the airplane was being repaired, a certain person boarded the airplane to confer with the Bishop. The man presented military credentials of the US Armed Forces, a colonel in the USAF, and was received by McIntyre. The conversation lasted 20 minutes during which time this man dissuaded the Bishop from revealing all the details of the meeting in which he had assisted because all the alien matters had already been studied for many years exclusively by the USAF. The military emphasized that the President had just requested a spiritual opinion and above all an understanding in a situation so anomalous and that his oath of secrecy also included the Holy Father. Not the least of which concerns was the internal infiltration of the Vatican by Soviet spies. The Bishop replied that it was precisely his intention to inform the Pope of the incredible event.

We now believe that the engine problem was previously and intentionally created in order to bring about that meeting, probably organized by certain military officers without President Eisenhower's knowledge. Before departing the military told the Bishop that notifying Rome would create great problems for him and for his safety, which could cost him much. Furthermore, they couldn't know yet if some divine message had predicted the meeting with the aliens.

Two days later, Pope Pius XII received Bishop McIntyre. After having meditated deeply on the possible implications of an exclusive military relationship with the aliens, the Pope decided to create a secret information department with a structure similar to the fascist military intelligence departments, to be called S.I.V. that would gather all possible information regarding the activities of the alien entity and information acquired by the Americans. It was very important to keep open channels of communication with President Eisenhower.

The S.I.V. was basically constituted to acquire and to manage all secret information above all regarding alien activities and matters, coordinating with other intelligence organization in other countries. The main goal of the newly formed department was to manage all aspect of the moral, philosophical and religious points of view.

[B] What made the Pope believe that the American military would have shared such sensitive information with the Vatican? What about the military man who appeared at the airport in Las Vegas?

[G] Understand, that meeting convened in the middle of the night by the President of the United States, seeking aid and spiritual support in a situation, unique in the entire story of humanity, I believe was a sign of esteem and trust. In confirmation of this, I tell you that upon returning to the United States, McIntyre and Archbishop Edward Mooney of Detroit were later the principle coordinators of the operation passing the information to the Vatican. But these event took an unexpected turn because McIntyre and other S.I.V. members began to have direct contact, in essence without the knowledge of the military, with an alien race of the Nordic Type, apparently benevolent, coming from the Pleiades. These aliens advised to be careful with the other creatures encountered by the Americans in the California desert. These meetings with the members of S.I.V. happened many times in the United States and twice also inside the Vatican Gardens near the Pontifical Academy of Science, in the presence of Pope Pius XII.



"The Omega Secret"
"Secretum Omega"
by Cristoforo Barbato


(Copyright 2006, Cristoforo Barbato)

Translated from Italian by Robert Morningstar and Matteo Sarti


[B] Now, Padre Pio of Pietralcina spoke about the existence of other living creatures in other worlds that had attained a higher evolutionary state because they were without sin…Is that true?

[G} Without a doubt, but these beings , which you refer to, live in a different dimensional plane, different from in not being the angels in the true sense of the word, while on the other hand the Nordic Aliens that I spoke about previously have flesh and bone, even though they are very evolved to a technological and spiritual point , they still have bodies. These creatures announced to have discovered in the Catholic Church, more precisely in the message of Christ, the pure presence of God and they offered to cooperate, themselves, for the good of humanity.

That firm affirmation on the part of these beings convinced Pius XII to collaborate with them and to consider them as authentic converts to the Christian faith.

The Pontiff probably realized that the Universal Church should communicate its message even to beings coming from other worlds. Besides, these aliens through the years were determined to assist the Church of Rome in all its missions, particularly, in determining the character of social and political situations internationally.

(Author's Note: I suggest that you read what Alberto Perego wrote during his time as Vatican Consul in some of his books.)


Pope John XXIII

Thereafter, even Pope John XXIII benefited from the support of these beings who had espoused the Christian cause but he always preferred to keep it secret speaking solely of "angelic intervention." Pope John XXIII had inherited, in a manner of speaking, an agreement for collaboration between the Holy See and these beneficent aliens of the Nordic Race as stipulated by his predecessor. This situation (the secret agreement) endured throughout the Pontificate of Angelo Giussepe Roncalli, who many times expressed to the leaders of S.I.V. his fears regarding investing too much trust in these beings. That's why today we believe that one of the main reasons for convening The Second Vatican Ecumenical Council was the need to take a first concrete step toward the renewal of the Church, in view of the possibility of immanent contact.

[B] Can we include in this intervention or "celestial mediation," the presumed contact that happened in 1963 between American contactee, George Adamski, and the Pope?

[G} I was just getting there. Adamski really met the Pope. He went to St. Peter's just once to meet the Pope who at that time had already decided that the Church ought not entertain any further direct contact with these aliens, even if they were positive. Furthermore, John XIII found it unacceptable to reveal this relationship to the Christian populace. The assignment that the aliens commissioned to Adamski was to try to attain a final agreement with the Pope, who was dying. Adamski was a messenger for those aliens who met with the Pope through him. These beings ordered Adamski to deliver a gift to the Pope. The gift contained a liquid substance, which would have saved the Pope from gastric enteritis, which afflicted him at that time and, worse, in his last hours became acute peritonitis.

The Pope did not drink the substance and said before dying as he beheld the Crucifix::

"Quelle braccia allargate del Cristo sono state il programma del mio pontificato. Un pontificato umile e modesto quanto volete, ma di cui mi sono assunto tutte le responsabilità. Sono contento di quello che ho fatto e di come l'ho fatto...."

"The open arms of Christ were the purpose of my pontificate. A humble and modest pontificate as you see, for which I assume all responsibility. I am satisfied in what I have done and how I have done it."



"The Omega Secret"
"Secretum Omega"
by Cristoforo Barbato


(Copyright 2006, Cristoforo Barbato)

Translated from Italian by Robert Morningstar and Matteo Sarti


Moreover, this gesture on the part of the aliens convinced the dying Pope, with little lucidity and energy remaining, that the "Space Brothers" might surely conduct positive and benevolent activities toward humanity but that they should operate autonomously and distinctly from the Church and, in general, from human activities, with prayer, actions according to the Law of God and, in particular, under the direction of the Holy Spirit.

Adamski's attempted mission ended direct contact between these beings and that Pope and his successors, trusting in the insight of John XXIII who established that it was not allowed to have direct contacts. Later in a secret manuscript from Pope John XIII (Angelo Giussepe Roncalli to his successor, which contained one special dossier about "Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano," the Pope mentioned a passage from the Gospel (of Mark) that clearly explained the position of the Church regarding these benevolent beings coming from other worlds.

Dal Vangelo secondo Marco ( 9, 38 e seg)

In quel tempo, Giovanni rispose a Gesù dicendo: "Maestro, abbiamo visto uno che scacciava i démoni nel tuo nome e glielo abbiamo vietato, perché non era dei nostri". Ma Gesù disse: "Non glielo proibite, perché non c'è nessuno che faccia un miracolo nel mio nome e subito dopo possa parlare male di me. Chi non è contro di noi è per noi. Chiunque vi darà da bere un bicchiere d'acqua nel mio nome perché siete di Cristo, vi dico in verità che non perderà la sua ricompensa".

From the Gospel of Mark 9: 38 ff.:

From the Gospel of Mark 9: 38 ff.:

"At which time, John responded to Jesus saying: "Master, we saw a man who was casting out demons in your name and we forbad him because he was not one of us."

But Jesus said: "Forbid him not, for there is no man who shall do a miracle in my name that can then lightly speak evil of me. For he who is not against us is for us. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because you belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward."


The High Altar at Vatican II Ecumenical Council 



The meaning, in essence, was that the presumed positive activities of these aliens, who accepted the Christic message, should be "blessed" and not opposed (or obstructed) but always kept distinct and parallel to that of the Church. These aliens should be considered as the stranger who rescues in the name of Christ and who should not be impeded from doing so.

Close up Study of Sky Object in

Carlo Crivelli's

"The Annunciation"

In this course, we could interject the speech, which the new Pontiff gave, in succeeding the late Pius XII, as he proclaimed publicly on the 5th of April, 1961 in St. Peter Plaza before a general audience, saying:

"Some voices were previously were unknown. But this concerns voices, descending from the sky to the Earth, voices which possess and reflect the omnipotence of the Heavenly Father."

"Secretum Omega Part II" - continues...



"Secretum Omega Part II"
"Secretum Omega"
by Cristoforo Barbato


(Copyright 2006, Cristoforo Barbato)



[B] Let's talk about your tasks on the S.I.V scene.

[J] My tasks were purely technical, the most important of which were , for example, to take extremely secret information coming from a Vatican radio telescope located in Alaska and forward it to respective destinations.

[B] Just a second, but to which radio telescope are you referring? I did not know that the Vatican owned such a structure in that area.

[J] The Vatican owns and utilizes an extremely advanced radio telescope that is in the vanguard of systems and technology and is only used by Jesuits. It is located inside an industrial park used to store petroleum, apparently abandoned, situated in the state of Alaska. This complex is camouflage because officially the activities that go on inside are not those of the VATT in Arizona and are kept "Top Secret."

** Translator's note: I have found a HAARP test application that could possibly be used in a search for Nibiru. HAARP is located in Gakona, Alaska. See "Lunar Radar Experiment":

[B] When was that apparatus built and, above all, what end in sight did the Vatican have in owning so many other astronomical sites around the world?

[J] What I can say is that it was built in the 1990s with the object of studying all anomalous celestial bodies approaching Earth, similar to what the CIA did with one of its "secret eyes," the twin to Hubble, called "SkyHole 12" (a.k.a. Keyhole 12… For details see: ).

Moreover, the S.I.V. was informed during the meetings (of the aliens) with Pope Pius XII of the approach of a celestial body to the solar system in which resides an advanced very warlike alien race. Very shortly, I knew that the material that I should have been receiving in Rome and then analyzing on a computer was very interesting and extremely secret. It was during the analysis of certain data and information from the Alaska radio telescope that we discovered that one remote deep space probe, part of a deep space exploration program called "SILOE", which was started in 1990 had taken a photograph of a huge planet getting closer to the Solar System. The information was received in Alaska during October 1995, which is when my problems started. I discovered that I was not chosen to decode that particular transmission and a dangerous situation evolved. At that time, my contact revealed to me that, inside the Vatican, there were two factions struggle over possession and control of this information, which was classified far beyond "Top Secret."

[B] Can you give me some other details on the space program called SILOE? Who proposed and launched it?

[J] The probe called "SILOE" takes its name from an identically named program of space exploration begun in the early 1990s. Furthermore, regarding this, I can add that this program was part of another one, much wider in scope, named "Kerigma." (Author's note: Regarding the latter ("Kerigma"), nothing was revealed to me.) For now, I can just tell you that this probe was created in Area 51, has an electromagnetic impulse motor, and it was put in orbit by a space plane, like type "Aurora." The probe did not have any calculations or pre-indications of the trajectory or the precise location of "Nibiru," because its purpose was to approach that planet, correcting its direction to avoid impact and to return to this Solar System to a position close enough to transmit the data and images to the secret radio telescope located in Alaska. The probe was launched as soon as the radio telescope was and the probe was capable of transmitting images in 1995.



"Secretum Omega Part II"
"Secretum Omega"
by Cristoforo Barbato


(Copyright 2006, Cristoforo Barbato)



[B] What I am hearing from you reminds me of some theories formulated by researcher, Zechariah Sitchin, regarding the future return of the mysterious 12th planet. Do you know this work?

[J] Yes, I know about the principle aspects. What I can say is that S.I.V. in collaboration with Lockheed Martin launched that probe, which made the images that I later analyzed. These images are of an enormous celestial body whose presence will "felt" within at most 3 years from 2001 in our Solar System.

[B] How did you get access to such information?

[J] Actually, I possess an authorization for the supervision of the so-called "Secretum Omega." This is the highest classification of secrecy in the Vatican, equivalent to "Cosmic Top Secret" in NATO. This is subdivided into 3 levels of information: from the least detailed, Secretum Omega Level III to the Secretum Omega Level I, which is the most complete. My actual goal was to indoctrinate new members of S.I.V., teaching them the use of the communication systems of this organization.

[B] How is the information collected by the radio telescope in Alaska relayed to Italy?

[J] There are some radios and antennas linked to two geostationary satellites over Italy, property of an American telecommunications company, Sprint International, which owns parabolic antennae located in Italy, in the north and in the extreme south. This company has a special contract with the S.I.V. and a private channel broadcasting and receiving enciphered data using private algorithms and personalized cryptography, used since 1994. Before this, the S.I.V. utilized a cryptographic system invented by a Swiss society, which was subsequently abandoned because one of the members of this society sold secretly to some Israelis. I can't give you other technical information at the moment.

[B] I would like to ask you about a well-known religious legate to the Church. I am referring to Monsignor Balducci who publicly spoke about the extraterrestrial themes. Is it possible that Balducci is working in concert with S.I.V.? And that he has knowledge of its existence?

[J] Surely Father Balducci made his studies and his research in a totally autonomous manner without following any preexisting established program. During his research, he was never obstructed. On the contrary, in certain ways he was actually encouraged.

[B] Just a moment please, it seems to me understanding your words that there exists a program for disclosure. And, maybe, for this reason could it be that you decided to meet me and reveal this information to me?

[J] We are "crazy splintered", according to the system, but we know that certain events are going to happen to all living beings on the planet; no one is excluded. All humanity in this actual period of history is living in a particular circumstance and intimately linked to some key events contained in the Book of the Apocalypse. The human race must surrender completely to the message of salvation and redemption of Christ, which St. Paul defined as "Kerigma," a message that John Paul II is trying to spread to all nations. Don't you think that the Pope knows how close these events are to us?

[B] But how much does the Pope know about all this information, also in view of the passionate declaration that he made from this year? (Author's note: the year is 2000 specially concerned the official trip to Fatima for solemn beatification of seers Francisco and Jacinta)

[J] Inside the Vatican there are two different groups struggling one against the other with counter positions; one of these promulgates disclosure of this information program and is defended body and soul by Wojtila (Pope John Paul II), the other tried to block any information from getting out by any means, to the point that some members of this faction take part in occult power groups. For example, they control the world oil market, actually working in many international economies with the sole purpose of blocking any disclosure of any alternative free energy sources. Groups like that behind the famous and controversial "The Guardian UFO Case" of which you know, dramatically authenticated this information in great measure with the exception of photographs of presumed alien entities.

Anyway, these documents and information describe a real situation. Reality often surpasses the craziest fantasy. Unfortunately, this is the case. And of all these occult organizations, the apex is the SVS.

End of the Interview with the Jesuit


By Cristoforo Barbato


Translated from Italian by Robert Morningstar & Matteo Sarti


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Planet X and the JESUIT FOOTAGE Classified SECRETUM OMEGA. First Indirect Confirmation!
by Luca Scantamburlo

Posted November 9, 2006



Cristoforo Barbato speaking about the Secretum Omega. Photo used with his kind permission -

After the release of the controversial 'MJ-12' files and of the 'Guardian' files, by an anonymous individual, and perhaps for the first time in history, one member of the ufological community, an Italian freelance writer and investigator, was able to check the credentials of the alleged anonymous insider, an individual that was still working for the intelligence community and had not been fired or retired. This mystery man was responsible for the release of the above classified material. He was an insider of a presumed Vatican intelligence structure and his actions were supported by his colleagues. But first of all, let me tell you something about that freelancer: Cristoforo Barbato.

Born in Naples in 1972, is an Italian independent UFO researcher; in the last 7 years he worked and written for several UFO magazines and frontier studies published in Italy: Notiziario UFO and Dossier Alieni for example. For many years Barbato was also a member of the C.U.N. (Centro Ufologico Nazionale), the main Italian ufological association. Moreover he has collaborated to the realization of two Italian encyclopedias on the UFOs subject, entitled UFO Dossier X, published by the Fabbri Edizioni and Stargate - Enigmi dal Cosmo, by Curcio Editore. Barbato has also participated as speaker at some national conventions on the UFOs, where he has had the possibility to meet different important UFOs researchers, both Italians and international: among them Col. Philip Corso, U.S. Army retired officer.

For some years Barbato was editor in charge in Rome for some Italian magazines, as Stargate, Extra Terrestrial and Stargate Magazine. During that period he wrote on the magazine "Stargate" many reports about Fatima Apparitions and the famous "Third Secret". After the publication of those reports, precisely in the year 2000, he received several e-mails from a person who qualified himself as a Vatican insider. From those e-mails rose up the story of a presumed Vatican Intelligence Agency, whose code would be S.I.V.: "Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano", which in Italian means "Vatican Information Services". In short the Vatican Secret Services. Barbato, at the beginning, was very skeptical and did not rely on him. After one year of such an epistolary contacts (in the meantime the insider revealed himself as a S.I.V. membership, belonging to the Jesuit Order and working by the Holy See), the Italian freelance demanded a meeting with him, as a necessary condition to carry on the contacts. In spite of the risks the Vatican insider accepted, and I suppose he was aware it was necessary considering his baffling revelations. Two meetings took place in a public space in Rome in 2001. After that at least his identity was clear: he was not a mythomaniac; he was really a Jesuit working by the Holy See. Of course the Italian freelance has been protecting his source, avoiding to spread his name; and very soon Barbato realized that he knew much more than what he had told him by e-mail.


Photo used with the kind permission of Cristoforo Barbato -


Closeup of object to the right of Planet X. Object has been enlarged with noise added. Photo used with the kind permission of Cristoforo Barbato -

Moreover in 2001 the Vatican insider sent to Cristoforo Barbato by post a videotape (shown for the first time during a meeting that took place in Pescara, in Italy, on 30 April 2005), containing a footage of 2 minutes regarding observations of a planetoid in the deep space (the presumed Tenth Planet, "the Planet X"), while it was approaching to the Solar System. The video, which shows an introduction of writings of classification on it, had been carried out by a secret space probe named "Siloe". The Vatican deep throat told Barbato the space probe was equipped with a sophisticated infrared camera and an electromagnetic impulses propulsion, and was assembled in Area 51(Nevada), and then orbited by an aircraft of the type "Aurora", a secret hypersonic aircraft; the space probe Siloe, always according the Barbato's contact, sent the images of the planetoid in October 1995 (after it came back to the border of Solar System to have more power of signal), to a secret radio telescope hidden in an unused oil-refining plant in Alaska, totally managed by some Jesuits belonging to the S.I.V. The radio telescope, he added, was built in 1990 to observe anomalous celestial bodies on approaching the Solar System.


An unknown spacecraft possibly the Aurora escaping earth's atmosphere. Photo taken during a STS mission. Photo used with the kind permission of Cristoforo Barbato -



Planet X and the "JESUIT FOOTAGE" Classified "SECRETUM OMEGA." First Indirect Confirmation!
by Luca Scantamburlo

Part 2



Closeup of triangle object traveling over earth. Photo used with the kind permission of Cristoforo Barbato -

After his conference in Pescara (Italy), Barbato spread a press release which, according to the Jesuit's information, would confirm also the story of a secret meeting of First Contact happened during the strange absence of President Eisenhower in a February evening of 1954, while the President was on holiday in Palm Springs, in California, absence officially motivated with a sudden visit by a dentist for an emergency dental treatment. As a matter of fact on Saturday night of February 20, 1954, Eisenhower's Press Secretary announced that Eisenhower had lost a tooth cap while eating fried chicken and had to be rushed to a local dentist (source: Michael Salla, PhD, Here is a passage from Barbato's press release: "[…] the meeting with an Alien delegation at Muroc Air Field Base in February 1954 in the presence of president Dwight Eisenhower and James Francis McIntyre, bishop of Los Angeles. After that incredible event McIntyre flew to Rome to refer everything to Pope Pius XII who decided to found the S.I.V with the aim to gather every possible bit of information about Aliens and how they interacted with the American Government. From then bishop McIntyre and Detroit Archbishop Edward Mooney became the main information co-coordinators between the USA and the Vatican State. Incredibly, later on there should have been some direct personal meetings between S.I.V. members and a Nordic-looking race of Aliens coming from the Pleiades. These Aliens presumably warned humans against another alien race met by the Americans in the California Desert . These meetings between S.I.V and Aliens took place mainly in the USA territory but also - twice - in the Vatican State , precisely in Vatican Gardens at the Papal Academy of Sciences in presence of Pope Pius XII. My Jesuit contact also confirmed to me the reality of the George Adamsky-John XXIII meeting and talked about some very interesting details about it. He also called "Secretum Omega" the highest secrecy level in S.I.V, equivalent to the NATO Cosmic Top Secret."

I interviewed Barbato for the Italian bimonthly magazine UFO Notiziario (UFO news), nr.62, April-May 2006, in which the magazine published some frames of the video and a very interesting presumed image (provided almost for sure by the Jesuit to Barbato), regarding the phantom "Aurora" (so far denied by U.S. officials) an American large secret hypersonic aircraft capable of a Mach 6 performance. In the presumed picture, taken by a classified STS mission in 2002, you can see a full-body shape aircraft (a black triangle) coming out from the earthly atmosphere to go into the Space. Other detailed information have been revealed on Barbato's website (, where last September the Italian freelance published on-line the interview to his contact, the Jesuit, taken place in 2001 in Rome. The Jesuit member of the S.I.V. told Barbato that on occasion of the secret meeting at Muroc Air Field Base, in 1954, military cameramen filmed the outstanding event "with three movie cameras (16 millimeters), detached in different places, loaded with colour film and working by spring engines; this last rather unconformable resolution, because it compelled every cameraman to change reel every 3 minutes, it was necessary since in the presence of the Aliens and of their spacecrafts, the electrical engines of the biggest movie cameras did not work. They filmed 7 rollers of 30 meters, a total of 20 minutes shot." Among the Jesuit's revelations, two of them are astonishing: about the planetoid visible in the videotape, the Vatican insider told the Italian freelance that it is the Planet X (the Sumerian Nibiru); about the "Guardian Files", he confessed him are a "dramatic truth", apart from the frames of the presumed E.B.E.

The Barbato' s researches shocked me and roused me to investigate as journalist the "Secretum Omega" enigma. Since 2005 up to now, on some magazines, websites and essays, I found out several circumstantial evidences that seem to prove the existence of the S.I.V. and the "Secretum Omega", their highest clearance. Barbato, before than me, found the most important and explicit of them on an historical essay, a book written by Mark Aarons and John Loftus, entitled "Ratlines" (see chapter 1). Anyway, above all because of the mass-media silence, I decided to baptize the Barbato's video with the name of "Jesuit Footage", to draw upon it the public attention. And finally I found an indirect remarkable confirmation of Barbato's testimony: Dr. Steven M. Greer (M.D.), in his recent book "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge", revealed in the chapter nr. 16 (passages of it have been published by Nexus New Times magazine, on the survey "Twilight Zone", nr 64, October-November 2006) that, during a meeting with some rebel insiders taken place in December 1994 in Phoenix by Wrigley Mansion, one of them confessed him that determinate Jesuits control technology on UFOs information and contacts with Aliens. So I am convinced that the disturbing inquiries carried out by Barbato deserve our maxim attention, especially to understand how much truth there is about the next Planet X's arrival.

© Luca Scantamburlo, B.A., 9 November 2006 - Reprinted with permission

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Luca Scantamburlo : The Return of Planet X - Part 2
Italy, February 2008 

Start of interview

Luca Scantamburlo: So, right here [taking magazine from shelf] I have a copy of the magazine for which Cristoforo Barbato wrote a report in year 1996. The magazine was the Italian magazine Notiziario UFO. It does not exist any more. And that report was about the star wars, the NASA star wars.

And the article was written with the corroboration of the other guys: Adriano Forgione, Alberto Mancinelli, Umberto Telarico. It was about, I’m sure you remember, the footage taken by the space shuttle Discovery, which you see [shows magazine photo of space, Earth curvature, and a craft of some kind] something that appears... an attempt to destroy a UFO, out of the atmosphere, with maybe ‘brilliant pebbles’.

Kerry Cassidy: Yes, this is the STS footage.

LS: 1991. Here we have another report made by Cristoforo Barbato in 1997. [shows cover page of magazine article] It is an interview by phone with Robert O. Dean, the retired American Sergeant-Major of the US Army.

KC: Ah! Wonderful! Yes.

LS: And then [shows cover of magazine] I have here a copy of the magazine where it was published my interview to Cristoforo Barbato - which came out April 2006 - on this magazine, UFO Notiziario, which is even now the main ufological magazine.

I want to show you a frame of the introduction to the Jesuit Footage because there are some markings. [shows magazine picture of individual film frames, with words] There is a classification here. On the top you have three letters, S-V-S, which is a mystery, still now. Even now, Barbato doesn’t want to talk about this.

And then under, there are the first letters of the main space program, which, of course, is not an official position by the Vatican. Anyway, according to the Jesuit, the first letters, KE, are the letters which indicate, Kerigma, the most important space program by the Vatican.

And then you have SI, which are the first letters of the name of the space probe, which was launched the first years of the ‘90s, and its name is Siloe, the space probe that would have done the Jesuit Footage. But anyway, this is important. “The Jesuit Footage” is the expression that I have done to the controversial footage. And then you have in Roman letters the year, in which the data were sent to a radio-telescope in Alaska.

KC: Right. This telescope in Alaska...

LS: This is another piece of information, because officially...

KC: Okay. It’s owned by the Jesuits?

LS: Held by Jesuits which belong to the SIV, Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano. Of course, we are talking about classified information, according to the Jesuit. And officially we have the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope in Arizona, which is in charge to help the Jesuits to have, you know, nice scientific researches about the deep space, the universe.

[shows magazine photo of black triangular-shaped craft] And there is another picture which was not in the public domain, gave from the Jesuit to Barbato.

KC: Of the Aurora?

LS: Yes.

KC: Yes.

LS: [close-up of triangular-shaped aircraft] According to the Jesuit, it was taken by Space Shuttle crew in 1992 if I... no... in 2002, if I remember. And this is an evidence that the Jesuit gave to Barbato.

[shows magazine photos of two cartoon-like decals of a space telescope, the top decal saying “Hubble”] This is another evidence, not in public domain until this magazine published in 2006. You have this one, Hubble space telescope, you know. It’s a sort of... How do you call the small decoration you put on glass, in English?

KC: A decal? It’s called a decal.

LS: For the glass.

Bill Ryan [off camera]: An insignia.

LS: Yes. To put on your suit. [points to very similar second decal] And then have this one – “Keyhole 12, Super Spy in Space.” Look at the two writings that we have here. [pointing to second decal]


LS: NASA and Central Intelligence Agency.

KC: Yeah.

LS: This was not in the public domain until Barbato came out with this material.

KC: Ah!

LS: And also, [turning page] these two gentlemen here - of course everybody knows him, should know him - is President Dwight Eisenhower. And this gentleman here is James Francis McIntyre, the former Bishop of Los Angeles. And the Jesuit confirmed to Barbato that this gentleman was present at Muroc Airfield in February 1954 because Dwight Eisenhower wanted to have a spiritual support to take an important decision for mankind.

Because there were already rumors about this presumed meeting, occurred in February 1954, between a delegation from Earth and a presumed alien delegation from outside our world.

And the Jesuit... This is very important. For the first time we had a deep throat from the Vatican who confirmed: Yes. This meeting happened. Yes, James Francis McIntyre participated.

And moreover, the Jesuit told Barbato that later on, a few days later, James Francis McIntyre broke the rules. Because, of course, the American administration - we’re talking about the leaders who were participants of that meeting - said to the Bishop: Yes, you were present because of Dwight Eisenhower’s desire. You are not allowed to talk about this, even to the Pope.

But McIntyre took another decision, and a few days later took a flight and went to Rome, and told everything to the Pope, who was, of course, shocked. And, according to the Jesuit, this was the first reason for the creation of this presumed secret service, the Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano - SIV.

But according to the historical essay found out by Barbato, Ratlines, this secret agency was already in charge before... during the Second World War. So, somebody could think: OK. This Jesuit is not a reliable person. On the other hand, maybe the Jesuit was convinced to say the truth. Who knows?

The important thing is that the same expression, Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano, was used by the Jesuit and is present in a book, an historical book, written by the former attorney, John Loftus, and a journalist, Mark Aarons.

KC: You are saying the Jesuit had a different impression of when this organization, and why the organization, was formed. Is that correct? In other words, you are saying that, according to the story...

LS: There is a contradiction. Even Barbato pointed out this.

KC: Can you explain that? What is the contradiction, exactly?

LS: Of course. Think about the genesis of the Central Intelligence Agency.

KC: Right.

LS: The Central Intelligence Agency, if I am correct, was born in 1947. Before, there was another secret service. It had another name. It was Office of Strategic Service. So why did it change - the name, the structure, the hierarchy?

Maybe, Barbato pointed out in one of his articles, happened the same - the secret service in the Vatican was born for other reasons, and then this outstanding event occurred in February 1954 in California. And this changed a lot the reasons to keep, to carry on, such a structure.

Okay, now we have another problem. Other beings from other regions of the universe are here on the Earth. This is a threat, of course, not only to humanity, but first of all, to the faith of the Christians, of the Catholics, even to the existence of the Vatican. You have to consider this problem. One of the reasons was to keep a secret service to avoid, you know, to ... [searching for words]

KC: Maintain the secrecy?

LS: No. To have the opportunity to know what other secret services abroad could learn about these creatures. This is what I understood. This is what Barbato told me. And this is what is public. The Pope was very worried. And at the same time - this is another important point - other creatures from other regions in the universe, according to the Jesuit, begin to have contact with the Vatican, with the SIV, Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano. Even a couple of meetings took place in the Vatican gardens, involved other creatures and the same Pope.

KC: Okay, but when was this?

LS: Maybe in the ‘50s. We are talking about the ‘50s.

KC: Was it after the meeting with Eisenhower?

LS: After.

KC: After.

LS: At the same time you have at least two races. According to the records, you have at least two races. One of them is the race who had the contact at Muroc Airfield, which became later Edwards Air Force Base.

And at the same time, just a few months later, you have another race, human-looking - you cannot distinguish them from us - and they had contacts with the American administration. I’m talking about the people who had the need to know.

At the same time, they had contact with the Vatican. And those creatures said: You have to be very careful with the other creatures.

This is very important because usually, when somebody talks about the presumed meeting which occurred in February 1954, they think that those creatures were just human-looking, like us. Yes, maybe they were humanoid, but they were different.

There is at least one other race, human-looking, much more than them. And they were very worried about the secret agreement signed among the Eisenhower administration - by secrecy - with this race.

BR: Did the Jesuit say all of that to Barbato? Or is this your own summary of the situation?

LS: This is what the Jesuit told Barbato. Barbato told in the interview, and even in other...First of all, in the press release that Barbato made public in the year 2005 at the same time when there was the first meeting in which he showed the Jesuit Footage to the public. The Jesuit Footage was never given to anybody.

KC: Okay. How did the Vatican react when Barbato came forward with this story?

LS: No reaction.

KC: None?

LS: No reaction.

KC: Has Barbato been threatened?

LS: To the best of my knowledge, no.

KC: Okay.

LS: I don’t know anything about what happened to him. According to me, there was no threat from the Vatican to him.

KC: But surely... You are a journalist. You must have asked him if he was threatened. You, yourself, have had threatening phone calls, have you not?

LS: I had some problems with my internet connection, for example - many informatic intrusions. I had many informatic attacks. Also, in the last month, even a small disinformation campaign began against me and against my reputation. And I have to tell you that these people are playing with fire, because maybe somebody thinks that I am stupid. Well, maybe I am not a famous journalist, but I am not stupid. So, even this small disinformation campaign against me and against my reputation is a little piece of a big puzzle which indicates to me that maybe I touched very sensitive points.

Let me tell you something about the alien threat. For example, I have a lot of respect for what Dr. Steven Greer did, and is doing. I mean, it is an outstanding job. Like yours! I am very surprised, because there are still people, you know, that despite all difficulties, you know - they are keeping their efforts. They don’t give up.

But Dr. Steven Greer, which did a great job, particularly in May 2001, when he was the Chairman of the press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. And there were more than 20 witnesses involved in the past on extraterrestrial affairs and UFOs. Even today, Steven Greer says he’s convinced - because of his information - that there is no alien threat.

Okay, let me tell you something about this. Here we have behind me [gesturing to photos]... We have some frames of a gentleman who is now dead. He died in 1996, January 1996. I am talking about Phil Schneider. Philip Schneider. [photo of Schneider on screen] All right, this guy was an insider. His wife - former wife, Cynthia Drayer - she is still, now, trying to open a case about the death of her former husband, because of the mysterious circumstances in which he died.

And Schneider, for many years, for a couple of years, gave many lectures and said: Yes! There are extraterrestrial races which are benevolent, at least two of them. And: But, I’m sorry, but there are other guys in the universe which are not, you know, nice people. He didn’t use these terms. But anyway, he gave a lot of information. And he was an insider. But he was not the only one.

There was another one, Bill Cooper, Milton William Cooper, who worked for the US Navy and for the US Air Force, and until 1989, he gave many lectures. And from those lectures, came out a reality which is a little bit different from Dr. Steven Greer’s perspective of the alien presence in the solar system. But I’m not talking about, you know, he’s wrong / I’m right. We’re not talking in these terms.

I’m talking about, that there are... there were... insiders with different testimonies. So. Because this does not make sense, you know, you turn your sight to another direction. No. I’m sorry. You have to consider everything.

KC: Okay. But the Jesuit - did he say anything to Barbato about this?

LS: Yes, yes, yes. He said something that became public, because in the interview it became public. In the interview that Barbato released to me, vetted to me, he said that the Jesuit told him that this extraterrestrial race which would be present on this planetoid which is approaching us according to him, are a warrior race. He may have used another word... but... The meaning is, it is a warrior race.

KC: Did he use the term “Anunnaki”?

LS: If I remember, yes. There is no doubt. He identified that race with the race which was adored in Mesopotamia thousands of years ago – the Anunnaki, which means “those who from heaven came to Earth.” There is no doubt about this, according to the Jesuit.

And this is the reason, maybe, for which this story is dynamite. Because, it not only changes our perspective of humankind in the universe, but also, if it is true, is a threat to us, because of the effect of the passage of this planet, not only because of the presence of this race in the past on this planet and their activities on Earth.

BR: Did he explain how you could have an inhabited planet that actually spends a lot of its orbit in the deep cold of space, where no life could ever...

LS: Yes. Yes. Of course. It’s a very intelligent and interesting question. [gesturing to photo on desk] This guy here in the picture... This is a picture which belongs to a US Naval Observatory. It is in the public domain, in the US Naval Observatory website. The gentleman on the right is Robert Sutton Harrington, an astronomer who worked by the US Naval Observatory. On the left there is his former colleague, [James] Christy, who was the author of the discovery of one of the satellites of Pluto - Charon - in 1978.

BR: Who was Robert Sutton Harrington?

LS: Robert Sutton Harrington was an astronomer involved in the search for Planet X. He wrote several articles about the possible existence of this planet in our solar system. And Zecharia Sitchin is the author of this book, End of Days - Armageddon or Prophesies of the Return, who, in 1990 - August 1990 if I remember well - went to Harrington’s studio at the US Naval Observatory. They talked about the possible presence of another planet, not yet discovered.

And Robert Sutton Harrington, in that occasion, discussed the possibility of life on that planet. In spite of its distance, with a very thick atmosphere, he said: Yes, it’s possible to have life.

Now, I can add something else. If this planet exists, and it is the ancient planet adored by the Sumerians and the other civilization, Mesopotamia, it means that this planet came into the solar system as an intruder.

So, it means that in the very ancient past, this planet was not part of our solar system. And this could explain the strange features of our solar system. For example, think about the planet Uranus. The way he rotates and about the inclination of its axis about the ecliptic plane. He rotates like this. [demonstrates rotation out of camera view] The astronomers cannot explain why.

You have to assume that maybe in the past there was a collision. Now, if there was a collision, maybe, what there is written in the ancient texts - like The Seven Tablets of Creation, The Enuma Elish, Atra Hasis, which are considered by the historians like a mythology, like a set of myths. Maybe, as Zecharia Sitchin suggested - he was the first scholar to suggest this - those myths really happened. They are just, you know, the remains of historical records told us by the word of legend, the words of cosmogony.

And Dr. Harrington talked about the possibility of life on that planet. Unfortunately, he died in 1993. But he was a government employee.

KC: And, isn’t it true that you told us that Zecharia Sitchin has suggested that Harrington died suddenly in questionable circumstances?

LS: I had the luck to interview Dr. Zecharia Sitchin for the Italian magazine UFO Notiziario in last summer, 2006. And in his lines - because it was a written interview - Zecharia Sitchin just under-point that he became shocked when he knew, he discovered, when he found out, that the young and vigorous man, Harrington, was dead. But he didn’t make any reference, you know, just a few dots after the statement. He didn’t make any implications. You know, he just suggested that he was very surprised that the gentleman that was interviewed by him in August 1990, was dead. Because he was a brilliant man, a brilliant scientist. He was 50 years old. He died because of a cancer, according to a biography.

But one of the most important points, is that according to the biography - which is available on the US Naval Observatory website, written by one of his colleagues, Dr. Worley, if I remember well his name - according to this biography, written very well, is that at the end of his career, Robert Harrington lost interest in searching for Planet X, in the search for Planet X.

But if you pay attention to the articles that Robert Harrington wrote in his career, well, the impression is on the opposite way. One of his last articles is dated 1999, if I am correct, and he was still convinced that Planet X exists somewhere outside our solar system.

The difference between Zecharia Sitchin and Harrington’s hypothesis is that Harrington’s hypothesis was more concentrated on an orbit which was not cometary. Zecharia Sitchin, according to his studies of ancient texts, is convinced that Nibiru’s orbit is cometary, because of the text that are in evidence.

KC: Okay. Can we... Let’s get back to the Jesuit information.

LS: I am sure you are asking me if I know if there is a date, if the Jesuit gave a date, possibly.

KC: Okay.

LS: No date. I mean, most of the information that the Jesuit gave to Barbato, are in the public domain now, on my website, on his website, on Nexus New Times magazine, because the interview...

KC: OK. What is NOT in the public domain?

LS: I don’t know. I cannot answer to your question. I know a couple of things. First of all, the strange three letters on the classification markings that you can see on the introduction to the Jesuit Footage, the first three letters, SVS, is a mystery, was a mystery years ago, is a mystery now, yet. Barbato doesn’t want to talk about this. Because, it is his choice.

Another mystery is about what the Jesuit told Barbato about the nature of the Anunnaki. This is a sensitive point.

KC: What do you mean by “about the nature of the Anunnaki”?

LS: Yes. About how they look like. About their history. I mean, read for example The Lost Book of Enki, one of the most outstanding books written by Zecharia Sitchin. There are no comments by Sitchin, no comments. No, just a translation from ancient text. You read that text, and you will see that the ancient history of those gods, in Mesopotamia, is a history of wars, of Anu’s peoples, of the... You know, all the evil relationships that we had. And even, many times, you know, moments of kind... moments of generosity, kindness. Discussions, you know. Struggles. Moments of peace. Struggles /Moments of peace. You know?

KC: But, tell me something. You know Barbato has had this information from the Jesuit that he has not released.

LS: Yes. He told me this.

KC: Is Barbato troubled by this information?

LS: Ah, I can imagine that if at least half of all this story is true - just half, not that the entire story is true. Can you imagine how many problems can we have - he can have, I can have, even the people? Because at a certain point, if all that evidence did come out, then you put all the pieces together. Then if all that evidence would come out, you know... I’m talking about more scientific points of view, close to what you are not expecting.

Politicians - like the recent Japanese politician in Japan that a few months ago said something about UFOs. They said something about extraterrestrial presence. Three, I’m talking about three Japanese politicians as private citizens in front of a journalist. For example, the Minister of the Defense, the outer defense; the leader of the Japanese; even the Minister of the Education said something. In one week! If other leaders would come out with information about this problem...

So, I think that there is the definite possibility that you can have, you know... how do you say? Do you know the ancient myth of the Pandora’s Box? You know? And the problem is, are the people ready? Not just for the truth but for the responsibility to face the truth. Because, if such a truth did come out, we have to take some decisions about what to do.

BR: But there are two entirely different situations here that are being described. One is the presence of a large planetary body - whatever it is - that’s coming this way, possibly causing effects on the sun, possibly causing other effects if its orbit should come near the Earth ... the problems of Earth changes, resonance effects on the Earths’ crust. All kinds of things like that.

The other situation that you seem to be describing is one where this planet could be inhabited. And we have to ask this question on behalf of the people who are watching this. And that is, that, it seems impossible that you could have a planet out there which could be inhabited with humanoid life. Why would anyone want to live there, when it’s about minus two hundred degrees Celsius...

LS: Yes.

BR: ...and the sun would be a tiny little bright spot in the sky? It'd be completely dark.

LS: You are perfectly right.

BR: And if your planet is sufficiently large as to cause major problems on a geophysical scale, it’s going to be a large gas giant or maybe even what astronomers call a brown dwarf. It’s a sort of half-a-star. It’s not really a planet at all.

LS: According to my opinion, first of all, if Nibiru exists, came in our solar system as an intruder. It means that in ancient past, belonged to another solar system, another star system. You know... the people think about the universe as a peaceful place, you know. It is not like this. We have a strange perspective.

The universe is a violent place. Because of our, you know, our sense of time, it seems that nothing is happening in the solar system. But sometimes, you know, something happens, and you say: Oh well, maybe the universe is a little bit different; maybe the solar system sometimes is violent. For example, years ago, a comet in several pieces, you know, went against Jupiter, the comet Shoemaker-Levy 9.

If this planet, billions of years ago, was part of another star system, and maybe because of the star exploded and became before a red giant; and maybe later, you know, there was another transformation, maybe this planet left his star system. That’s why, you know, the solar gravitation could affect this planet.

KC: Okay. But let me ask you something. Because, what we want to know is, what would the Jesuit say to Barbato, who you said is very “difficult”? He’s very careful as a researcher and he must have some scientific basis. He’s written articles on science. So, he must have questioned the Jesuit to say, you know: How can this be? Do you know what kind of evidence the Jesuit gave him other than the video tape that shows...

LS: He gave him the pictures, for example.

KC: Right.

LS: [points to magazine photo of the Aurora] That one. He gave him...

KC: But did he give him scientific data, that you know of?

LS: I don’t think that he gave to him scientific data, but the scientific data are under our eyes, because... First of all, I told you, Robert Sutton Harrington, was an astronomer interested in Planet X.

KC: Mm hm.

LS: He was not the only one. Another one is Patrick Moore, the famous scientific astronomer. He wrote just a few lines about Planet X. But what he wrote... If you read what Patrick Moore, the British astronomer wrote about Planet X, you say: Yes, it may exist.

And there are other people, who are, you know, a little bit interested. For example, a few weeks ago, New Scientist, one of the major British magazines, wrote an article about the possibility of Planet X. And, in the article, there is a discussion about recent work made by a mathematician and physicist, who comes from Brazil. He is an Italian Brazilian scientist, who now is working in Japan. He earned a PhD in Earth and Planetary Science at Kobe University and he is working on the possibility of Planet X.

For example... Just a moment. [gets up to take book off of shelf] This one is an old book written in 1926, and published again many times. This is the edition of 1944. The title is The Elements of Astronomy. It is written by an astronomer, Edward Arthur Faith, Professor of Astronomy in Carleton College. I bought this book in the United States of America, in Florida. And, at page 221 there is something about Pluto. And I read for you. It’s talking about Pluto mass, which was not known in the last century until 1978, when Christie and Harrington found out Charon. Quote: The mass is uncertain [the mass of Pluto], but according to Wiley it is approximately that of the Earth. They thought that the mass of Pluto has the mass of the Earth.

[reading] If the mass has more as this, it could neither have produced the perturbation which Lowell found for Uranus... (Lowell is the scientist who invented the expression “Planet X”) ...nor those Pickering found for Neptune. It is therefore possible that a much more massive planet still remains to be found. The search is being continued at the Lowell Observatory.”

This is a scientific book. The mass of Pluto is lower than the mass of the Earth, much lower. This is scientific data.

BR: One of the problems here is that the term “Planet X” is being used in different ways by different astronomers. Some of them are talking it as being Planet X, the unknown planet and also some of them are referring to it as the 10th planet that is actually beyond Pluto or Charon.

LS: There are thousands of celestial bodies beyond Pluto, because they belong to the Kuiper Belt Objects.

BR: Yes.

LS: The problem is: Are we talking about a celestial body which returns into our solar system as a comet? Or are we talking about a celestial body, very massive. You know?

BR: Yeah.

LS: Outside the solar system. This is the main question.

BR: Yes. But you didn’t answer my question. I have to say this because if we include this in the interview, our listeners will notice that you didn’t answer. It is: How can life exist...

LS: Yes.

BR: ...on this object as far away from the sun as it is?

LS: How can we get to the Moon? Because of, we develop the space technology, we develop the space flight. I mean, what I’m talking about... If other extraterrestrial races reached a good level of technology, and, you know, they don’t destroy each other like we are doing on our planet - because we are not able, it seems, to manage the sources of our planet. If they are able to survive to the point, the critical point of utter destruction, they can survive in any condition. Any condition. Because they can, you know... They can build underground facilities. They can build mother ships.

Under natural conditions, the answer is: Not for intelligent life like us. But under artificial conditions, under the surface of the planet – yes. Because we developed, you know, a very sophisticated civilization. We are able to reach the satellite; we send space probes into deep space. We are able, you know, to fly in the atmosphere and out the atmosphere. This is my, you know, possible answer to your question.

If this race comes from another star system, they survived, maybe under the surface, and they have many outposts, maybe even in our solar system, maybe Mars, maybe, you know, on Jupiter’s satellites. And maybe, they have outposts even here on Earth, even now.

KC: Okay.

LS: This is a political problem, a political issue.

KC: Right.

BR: In the Jesuit Footage, there’s a small object that is clearly shown. It looks like a small moon, or space craft, or...

LS: The problem is that during, you know... The frames are... You know, it’s a footage. So you are frame-by-frame. You know? We are talking about thousands and thousands of frames. But the behaviour of that object is not a behaviour of a possible satellite. Because all of a sudden, the object - the mysterious object - appears. And after a few seconds, the object disappears.

So, if the footage is real, is a real observation in deep space of a planetoid, it means that we are facing a possible space craft which is able to materialize and dematerialize. The problem is: Is it an authentic footage or a fake?

[laughs] What Barbato told us is that he checked the credential of his whistleblower, his deep throat. [speaks slowly and with emphasis] He was really a Jesuit on duty in the Vatican. This is the most ...

BR: Does the Jesuit SAY what that object was? Or was Barbato just able to guess?

LS: Nothing that I know about it.

BR: Another question I’d like to ask you is: Are you familiar with the testimony of Dr. Bill Deagle?

LS: Bill Deagle?

BR: Deagle, Bill Deagle.

LS: No, I’m sorry.

BR: Okay. Let me summarize the reason for the question, very clearly. He says... And he’s worked on the inside for the American government for many years, and now he’s a whistleblower. He says that the Jesuits are at the top of the pyramid of all the intelligence agencies in the world. He talks about “Project” Omega - that’s what he says. And he says, as well, that the Jesuits are running and controlling the South Pole telescope, which is in existence specifically to observe the incoming object. Do you have any comment on record about any of that at all?

LS: There is one aspect of all this affair, on which Barbato didn’t say anything. And I am surprised that all the ufologists, all the presumed researchers, didn’t want to investigate. Because I can understand, you know. For example, I wrote many articles. But I didn’t write anything about what I am talking about. I’m talking about the three letters that you see in the introduction to the Jesuit Footage: SVS.

What the Jesuit told Barbato in the interview that the Jesuit granted to Barbato - because after the interview that Barbato granted to me in September 2006, if I remember well - Barbato, on his website, spread the interview that the Jesuit granted to him. And he said that the kernel of all the secret societies now on our planet is SVS. Nobody wrote a single line on the subject. Barbato didn’t say anything more because of, maybe... I can understand him. If it is a sensitive...

KC: What can it be, though? If you know something about all of this - SVS?

LS: I don’t know anything about this. But I can tell you something. Think about Dr. Steven Greer’s researches. He said, many times, we are destroying our planet, because our technology is based on fuels, you know? We burn our fuels. Maybe there are extraterrestrial intelligence that found out other source of energy so we can stop the energy crisis.

WHY, until now, all, you know, the alternative source of energy, cannot find enough space in our society? Because there is so much interest in, you know, “take advantage of the oil.”

Question: Is it possible that there is something that doesn’t want that free energies, you know, can become familiar? Yes? Of course. And do you think that these people are acting by secrecy, or are acting in another way, in front of the public? Of course not. If they do this...

KC: Didn’t Steven Greer also say in his book...

LS: Yes.

KC: His recent book...

LS: Yes.

KC: Something about the Jesuits? That he was approached by a person who said...

LS: Yes. He had a meeting in the past. He wrote this in one of his chapters, Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge, if I remember the title of the book. And he said that in the first years of the ‘90s, last century, he had a meeting. And one of the insiders of the “black world” said to him: If I want to know something more, I have to talk to some Jesuits. And, this came out AFTER Barbato’s testimony. So this is an indirect confirmation of what Barbato told us. And, I am very surprised that Dr. Steven Greer didn’t say anything about Barbato’s testimony.

Another thing that I want to point out. It appears that this, you know, SVS possible structure, could be the famous Shadow Government, you know? How many people talk about: There is a shadow government. What is it? Who are these people? Maybe for the first time we have an evidence, a strong evidence, that it exists.

And, let me tell you something else. This footage was - according to what I understood – was... How do you say... intercepted by the Jesuit who contacted Barbato. And this SVS structure is not a legal structure.

If a secret service in the Vatican exists, you know, it exists by secrecy, but it is a legal structure. I mean, the Vatican administration, if they have created a secret service, they have done this in the past, but, you know, Pope after Pope... You can imagine how many dossiers were prepared for the next Pope. So we are talking about a secret structure which is perfectly legal.

But if, you know, somewhere, another structure came out, like this presumed SVS... Yes. Maybe this is one of the reasons why [claps hands loudly] the Jesuit, and the other colleagues, came out.

Listen, guys, we have different problems. One is the coming of Planet X. Another one is that other people decided to do something. In the countries of the world, we doubt the knowledge of the people. And maybe these people are responsible for the situation that we are facing NOW. Maybe - this is my point of view - maybe 9/11 is related to this.

I cannot imagine that the only reasons for which United States of America are losing so many lives of his sons, you know, young guys, soldiers, and killing civilians by chance - not by chance - and losing their reputation in front of the world ... because in the last years, after 9/11, the US administration lost so many reputation because of its decisions ... I cannot imagine that the only reasons are economics. Are, you know, taking advantage of the fuel. No. It is not possible. Of course, a lot of money, you know, this is one reason. But, you know, I’m sure that the 9/11, Planet X, and this possible structure are pieces of one big puzzle. This is my opinion.

A Conversation with Gorbachev

KC: You have a picture behind you, of a man.

LS: Yes.

KC: And I would like you to tell us the story that you told us earlier.

LS: Yes. On your left, over there, there is my formal identification card of a meeting which took place in Venice on a Venice island, in the Venetian Lagoon, in June 2006. The title was Media - Between Citizens and Power. I was correspondent for Gruppo Editoriale Olimpia, who published several magazines. Two of them are Tecnologia & Difesa (Technology & Defense). And another one is UFO Notiziario, for which I wrote several articles until 2006. For these two magazines, Tecnologia & Difesa (Technology & Defense) and UFO Notiziario, I was colleagues from them in those days.

So, I participated to the press conference held by Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev, in June 2006. And I was so lucky that I found a little space to make questions to the former President of Soviet Union. And when I took the microphone... [points to framed photo of Gorbachev on wall] This picture... I made this pictures. This is a detail of several pictures that I have taken in that day. And when I took the microphone, I stood up in front of everybody. There were maybe 40, 50 journalists, Italian journalists, even some TV. And I asked him about his conversation with Ronald Reagan in Geneva in 1985.

My question was all about the declarations, outstanding declarations, made about Paul Hellyer, Former Minister of Defense of Canada. Anyway, I was talking about Ronald Reagan and his mentions to a possible alien threat, a possible alien planet. Because Ronald Reagan made several statements - I think there are five - about a possible threat to the humanity, to the mankind, from an alien planet.

And, during my speech, little speech, Gorbachev interrupted: Yes, yes, I know. You know Ronald Reagan talked about this stuff with me. So I said to Gorbachev: Yes, I know, in Geneva, in 1985. At that time, it was the first meeting, the first summit, between Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan. And then, later on, I continued and I asked him: And YOU talked about a possible alien threat - an extraterrestrial invasion. I didn’t use these terms.

But anyway, I pointed out that even he talked about the possible extraterrestrial threat. And I asked him, Is it true? Is it correct? And he didn’t answer. He didn’t answer. He said: I don’t remember. I don’t remember. According to me, it means: It’s better if we change the discussion.

But anyway, he was a gentleman. Why? Because he didn’t deny. He didn’t deny, in spite of when I asked him a comment about the declaration made by Paul Hellyer, the former Minister of Defense in Canada. And the former Minister, Paul Hellyer, said that George Bush and his administration is preparing an inter-galactic war. Which, you know, sounds ridiculous. But if this statement is made by a former politician leader of an important country, it doesn’t sound ridiculous, according to me.

Anyway, at the end, he answered to me about the possible threat of the NEOs - the Near Earth Objects - and about the Paul Hellyer declaration. He said something like this: We are in the range of hypothesis. Which is, you know, it was an honest point of view, but you know, which shows it’s better [makes palms-forward, holding-off gesture], you know; or, he’s not interested, or he wants to change the subject.

But the most important thing is that later on, in October 2006 if I remember, he was hosted by a television program. On that occasion, in front of the Italian public, on TV, in front of the journalists - because all the journalists had a factor at that time - asked him something about UFOs and his conversation with Reagan. He recollect him... he remembered, you know, those days, and he told, you know, a little bit more about the meeting with Ronald Reagan, and what Ronald Reagan said to him about a possible threat.

At that time, you know, there was a cold war in the Soviet Union and the United States of America could not find, you know, anything that can stop the cold war. Gorbachev said in front of the Italian public on TV: That time, we were in the garden of the villa in Geneva, in November 1985, and we were discussing a lot, you know, and during a private conversation, we were walking. At a certain point, Ronald Reagan stopped and said, “Listen to me, Gorbachev. But if now, suddenly from the space, there was an attack from somewhere, can we put our forces together? Can we stay together?”

And Gorbachev said: I don’t know what you think, but yes, I think we can do it.

They are not the exact words that he said, but this is the meaning. What does it mean? It means that in the middle, you know, of difficult times - there was the cold war, there was the Iron Curtain - Ronald Reagan and Gorbachev in an official meeting, you know, they talked about a possible alien threat to the humankind, to the mankind, to the humanity. And... Gorbachev didn’t deny this.


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Luca Scantamburlo The Return of Planet X  Part 1
Italy February 2008

Start of interview

Kerry Cassidy: Hi, I’m Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot, and we’re here with Luca Scantamburlo.

Luca Scantamburlo: Nice pronunciation. Very Good. [Kerry laughs]

KC: And we’re very excited to be here with him, somewhere in Italy. We can’t say where. And we’re going to be covering some very interesting topics. Luca is an accomplished journalist. And he is also in contact with Cristoforo Barbato, and we are very interested to hear what Barbato has to say. And Luca has written articles on what Barbato has covered. We’re very interested in the Vatican connection and what you can tell us about that.

LS: My name is Luca Scantamburlo. I am 33 years old, and was born in Italy. And I got a qualification in journalism. Moreover, in the last two or three years, I wrote several articles about controversial affairs - UFOs, possible extraterrestrial presence on Earth and in the solar system. And one of my articles, an interpretation, was published also on Nexus New Times, which is a bi-monthly magazine published in Australia.

KC: Perhaps you can tell us how you got in contact with Cristoforo Barbato.

LS: Yes. Cristoforo Barbato was born in Naples in 1972, and my first contact with him was in 2002. He was editor-in-chief for a national magazine, and its name was Stargate Magazine. [pointing to shelf] Over there, on the bottom, there are some copies of the magazine, the Italian magazine for which Barbato was editor-in- chief. Stargate Magazine’s on the right.

On the left, there is a copy of it - it’s like a tabloid of another magazine for which Barbato worked in Rome. [Kerry picks up tabloid] Exactly, Kerry. Its name is Extra Terrestere. Now it doesn’t exist anymore. And that one was one of the magazines which talked about UFOs and related phenomena.

I’m sorry I don’t have a copy of another magazine which is missing here, for which Barbato worked. It was Stargate, not Stargate Magazine, like there [gesturing]; just Stargate. In that magazine, Barbato wrote several articles about the Third Secret of Fatima.

At that time I didn’t buy them; even I didn’t know them. And in 2002 I asked Barbato if he was interested to publish one of my work. And then, in 2002 he publish one of my articles. Another one came out in 2003. And what happened... In 2003, that magazine closed. So at that time, Cristoforo Barbato was not editor-in-chief any more. He lost the job, and he came back home.

And, you know, we never met each other at that time. We just had email contacts, phone calls. And what happened later, in 2005, what happened... I read a short article about Cristoforo Barbato’s research. And, that article was about strange footage shown to the public for the first time, in April 2005, in Pescara. Pescara is a big city on the Adriatic coast. The Adriatic is one of the seas over here, that we have in Europe.

And I was very curious, because in the article, the report was saying that that footage came from a Vatican insider who contacted Cristoforo Barbato in 2000, the year 2000. And, after a few contacts, Cristoforo Barbato got this footage. And he showed it to the public for the first time in 2005. But that footage, at that time, was not available in the web. It was a two minute footage.

And so I wrote an email to Cristoforo Barbato, and I asked him if there was any chance to see the footage, because the footage, as I told you, was not available. And he told me, Ah, yes, you can come to a conference. I have been invited to a conference in Santa Maria Magdalena. Which is a small village in Italy. And, on that occasion we can meet each other, and you can have the possibility to show the footage. Because I’m not going to give the footage to anybody. Because the conditions, when I received the footage, were very strict.

KC: Isn’t it true that Barbato kept quiet about his contact with this Vatican insider for several years...

LS: Yes.

KC: ...before he released any of the information?

LS: Yes. This is, ah... you under-pointed an important aspect. Just a little chronology to understand what happened... In the year 2000, he received the first messages by email, and by post - in Rome, by the normal post - and email. And, of course, he was very skeptical. At the beginning, this man qualified himself as a Vatican insider and little by little a relationship grew up. And, of course, even at the beginning, this “Deep Throat” gave to him a lot of information.

But Barbato was not satisfied, because... You know better than me, Kerry, Bill, that... [long pause] ...the world of insiders, the insider’s world, is very dangerous, because it’s very difficult to distinguish the truth and the false information. So, he was not satisfied. And he asked him a meeting.

You know, I can imagine that, for the insider, it was a difficult request because, if he is not an imposter, he is risking his life, and maybe the life of somebody else. But in spite of everything, the meeting took place. More than one.

KC: More than one. And do you know where it took place?

LS: Yes, because Barbato made the news public.

KC: Mm hm.

LS: The first meeting, even the second one, took place in the year 2001, in Rome, in a public space. I don’t know where. Barbato never told me. Of course, I can understand him.

Bill Ryan [off camera]: I imagine that Cristoforo would have asked his source: Why are you telling me this information?

LS: Yes. Even... Yes, yes. This came out even in the interview that I had with Cristoforo Barbato because during the interview that he gave me - the interview was published in April, 2006, on the monthly magazine, UFO Notiziario, in Italy. But he gave me the interview a few weeks before, because we arranged the interview. It was a written interview. I had not the possibility to meet him. And I asked him the same question - Why he is doing this? Why he did such a thing?

And the answer is in the Jesuit’s words. Because the Jesuit and some of his colleagues which are part of an intelligence structure, intelligence agency - presumed intelligence agency - because officially the Vatican has not an intelligence agency. Him and other colleagues were ... had, maybe, I think. They had a moral problem. They knew that the events that sooner or later will come in the following years, even now - because this happened in the past; it happened in the year 2000 - would involve all the creatures of the Earth. Nobody excluded.

BR: All the creatures.

LS: All the creatures. It means, of course, every latitude of the planet.

KC: Mm hm.

LS: I think they had a moral problem. There is a similar story in the Greek tradition, and it is the so-called Antigone problem, the problem of Antigone, you know. There is a law. And if you do respect the law, there is the risk to hurt your feelings, hurt, you know, your sense of humanity. So you have to make a choice - follow the laws, the rules, and, you know, destroy your sense of humanity. Otherwise, break the rules.

KC: Mm hm.

LS: To follow...

KC: So this Jesuit came forward. He’s a Jesuit?

LS: Yes. But he came forward, he came out, only with Cristoforo Barbato. Because him and his colleagues choose the person. And that person is Cristoforo Barbato. They made a choice.

KC: They chose him because he was a respected journalist, and for...

LS: For many reasons. Yes.

KC: And for, in Italy..

LS: Yes, this was absolutely one of them. But the others were, first of all, Cristoforo Barbato was young. You know, the young people are usually - not always - more courageous. You know, because when you are getting older, you have more responsibilities, maybe you have a family, maybe you have a reputation. You know ... no more story.

KC: So, Cristoforo was how old when he was approached in 2000? Do you know?

LS: He was born in 1972, so he was 28 years old.

KC: Ah.

LS: Now, there probably is... There other reasons, of course. More than one. Cristoforo Barbato, in my opinion, is a loyal person. You cannot buy him. This is what I think. And he is very [smacks table with his hand] tough-ass guy. And, maybe because he is honest.

KC: I see. Very Good. Okay. Because, obviously, he set the bar fairly high for this Jesuit. In other words, he insisted... First of all, he took a long time to release the story. Second of all, he checked it out.

LS: Because he was not convinced. He did a lot of researches to check if the information were accurate, where you know... The Jesuit gave him a lot of information. He gave him some pictures, a footage on a video tape - not on a CD ROM, not a DVD ROM. We’re talking about the year 2000. He received it parcel post.

KC: Uh huh.

LS: Inside was a video tape, VHS, you know.

KC: Uh huh. Did he have the VHS tested, do you know?

LS: He converted the video in digital form, but he did this with not professional equipment, so the quality of the video is not quite high. Also, I think that if we had the possibility, the chance, to see the original footage, maybe we could have more information about the, you know, the validity of the footage. Because we are talking about a footage of a presumed observation in deep space, where, of course, you know, the visible light is almost nothing.


Important note: Luca Scantamburlo states that the
Planet X footage shown in this video is NOT the original
film given to Barbato by the Jesuit, but is a very close
copy or recreation of the original.


KC: And what is the footage showing us?

LS: Yes. The footage... It seems that the footage shows a planetoid not known to modern astronomy - the official knowledge of modern astronomy. It’s been edited also. This is another important thing. I mean, there are two different parts [claps hands, indicating joining] put together.

KC: Okay, and it was shot with a camera on what spacecraft?

LS: With a camera on a space probe which, according to his Deep Throat, belongs, by secrecy, to the Vatican. The name of the space probe would be Siloe. Siloe, by the way, is a Biblical word that you can find in your Bible, in the New Testament, a couple of times. I don’t remember the exact point, but anyway, it’s a story about what Jesus Christ did, and during those far days in Palestine. There was a blind man. Am I correct? He was not able to see? And Jesus Christ did something and said to him: Now you can go to the siloe source of water, wash your eyes over there, and you will have your sight again. You will have your sight. This is what the man...

KC: In English, would we say “silo”?

LS: Yes, silo. The spelling is S-I-L-O-E. Siloe is a place in Jerusalem, which is sacred to the Christians. And this space probe would be part of the space program.

KC: Who is it? Who supposedly built the space probe?

LS: This presumed space probe would have been produced, arranged in Area 51, Nevada, by Lockheed Martin.

KC: Ah. Okay. This information is from Deep Throat?

LS: Yes.

KC: All about...

LS: But the main point is... This is what I want to underline, under-point - that before the first meeting between Cristoforo Barbato and this Jesuit, Barbato checked his credentials. And he did this before and even during their first meeting, because the Jesuit showed his credentials to Barbato. And, on that occasion - of course, Barbato was still skeptical, you know - he had no doubts any more on his identity.

We’re not talking about, you know, the evidence of the Jesuit footage, the other pictures and of the whole story. What Barbato understood without doubt, was the identity of that Deep Throat. He knows the name, the surname, his, you know, what he did. Of course, he had to protect the source of information because of the intelligence.

KC: Right. Was he... OK. The organization, the secret organization that this Jesuit is a member of, is part of the clandestine Intel services of the Vatican. And what is it called?

LS: Barbato received this information. The intelligence agency would be Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano, Vatican Intelligence Service. And the code name would be S-I-V, from the Italian expression.

But what it is very interesting is that Barbato found out later on, on an essay written in the United States, on an historical essay written by John Loftus and Mark Aarons - its name is Ratlines - that there is a reference to this agency. And there is the exact expression that the Jesuit in Italy gave to Barbato - Servizio Informazioni del Vaticano. You can find it on any edition of that book, Ratlines. And this book was even published here in Italy. So, I checked with my eyes.

KC: Uh huh.

LS: Barbato found out this later.

KC: Right. Okay, but this is... What is the meaning - Secretum Omega?

LS: Secretum Omega would be, according to Barbato’s Deep Throat, the highest level of clearance in this agency.

KC: And is he saying...

LS: It is dividing Secretum Omega - first, second and third level.

KC: Okay, was this Jesuit a member of the highest level?

LS: Yes, he was one of the members of the... Yes. I don’t know which. I don’t remember to which level, because ... [gestures scissors cutting] ... We cut here, because ... I’m sorry.

KC: That’s okay!

LS: You know, it’s very difficult for me.

KC: Start again, with this part. So the Jesuit is a member of the highest level, or possibly the highest level, of the Secret SIV.

LS: Yes. This is what I had understood. Yes, he was at that time, an active member.

KC: Now, you’re saying was. Is there information, that Barbato received, that he’s left this agency?

LS: [deep sigh] I don’t know anything about this.

KC: I see.

LS: What I know for sure... At least for a couple of years they were in contact, but I don’t think they are in contact any more.

KC: Okay.

LS: Moreover, he did his job. He did even more than what he was thinking to do, because Barbato ask a meeting and, you know, this was something that they... maybe they did not think about this. But the point is, as I told you. You know, it’s usually - when you have a Deep Throat, when you have an insider, when you have a source of information - most of the times, you don’t know the identity. Most of the times. [sighs]

If there is somebody from the Vatican who did this - with, of course, the support of other people - you cannot imagine, you know, a single person which belongs to such a high agency...[choosing words carefully] agency, you know, not of a normal state. We’re talking about the Vatican.

The Vatican is a small state, you know. But, it’s a tradition, it’s a reputation. Moreover, the importance... You have a state in which you have politics and also you have faith, you know. You have it together. And...

KC: So this man is coming forward secretly. He’s backed by a couple other people in the Vatican?

LS: I don’t know the numbers, but I can imagine a few of them.

KC: Okay.

LS: A minority of course, because it’s not an official position of the Vatican.

KC: Okay. And what they’re saying is that there is a planet out in the solar system, approaching...

LS: Approaching us.

KC: ...approaching us. The Earth.

LS: Yes. There is the...

BR: Is it a planet, Luca, or is it just some large body?

LS: That’s an interesting question. An interesting question because... well. What Barbato knew about this - because we had a conversation, we had many discussions - what he knew without doubt is that the Jesuit told him that this planetoid, which it seems that is coming in the solar system, would be - according to the Jesuit it is - the so-called Planet X, or the ancient god Nibiru. And Marduk, according to the Babylonians.

So “Planet X” is a scientific expression for something that should be out there. But at least officially, up to now, there is no evidence. I mean... indirect evidence there are, but direct evidence, officially, observation from some observatories, there aren’t, officially. But, there are indirect evidence that there should be something out there.

But the Jesuit pointed out this - that planetoid is the Sumerian planet. I mean, what the Sumerians called Nibiru, “the planet of crossing,” that everybody, you know, should be familiar with this because Zecharia Sitchin, for example - the well-known historian, Russian historian, who lives in New York - wrote many books about this. The Jesuit told Barbato the planetoid IS the so-called Nibiru planet.

BR: Do you know what they called it, in the Vatican? What their name for it is?

LS: No. I don’t know. I can have some ideas about this. Because if you look in the New Testament, John’s book, the Book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible, there is a passage in which - maybe - there is a reference to this body. But if you consider that book, the Book of Revelation, not just a book about metaphysical or, just, you know, a future which will involve the spiritual forms; if you consider that book as a book with a, I mean... [searching for correct words]... I mean, how can I call them? Future events?

KC: Prophetic.

LS: But retaining symbolic, in symbolic...How do you say?

KC: Language.

LS: In symbolic language. If you consider that book under these terms, there is a strange passage in which there is a word. This word is Wormwood.

KC: Ah. Yes.

LS: And it seems that there could be a connection with strange phenomena. I’m talking about celestial phenomena. Because if I remember well, in that passage the book is telling us about a strange star which will appear and its color will be red. And its name is Wormwood. But coming back to your question, Kerry, I have never... I have no idea about what is the name in this secret agency.

KC: Okay, then can you tell us, what is the background of the Jesuit? In other words, what did he tell Barbato besides the fact that there was a planet coming?

LS: Yes. He confirmed this.

KC: Was it connected with the Third Secret of Fatima? Was it connected? Because we know that Barbato has written in the past, articles about this.

LS: Yes. Yes. To answer to your question... One of the main reasons for which the Jesuit and his colleagues DECIDED to contact Barbato was because of his articles published in the year 2000, on Stargate, the magazine (the monthly magazine, not Stargate Magazine, which is the following magazine which was published, but the former one, Stargate) in which Barbato wrote several articles about the Third Secret of Fatima, especially on the base of the researchers which are ... who are Portuguese researchers - Fina d’Armada. And the other gentleman is a historian.

And that book has a strange title, you know - Extraterrestrial Intervention at Fatima, something like this. [Note: The English title is: The Apparitions of Fatima and the UFO Phenomena.] You can find that anywhere, perhaps you want, on the Internet. And because of his articles about the Third Secret of Fatima. And, at that time, the year 2000, there was also a conference press held by the Vatican and there was the official revelation by the Vatican of the Third Secret of Fatima. And, if you read the revelation, there is a vision of a Bishop dressed in white, who dies, together with other Christians.

But, there is no sign of cataclysms, you know, problems for all the Earth. But, for example, there is a nice book, this one [takes book from shelf] written by a very famous Italian journalist. His name is Antonio Socci. He wrote the book and the title is, Quarto Segreto di Fatima, which in Italian means The Fourth Secret of Fatima. It doesn’t mean that there is the fourth secret. It’s just a play of words, but supported by strong evidence which indicate that there is a part of the secret that - maybe - was not released to the public yet. And according to this book, to the author, Antonio Socci, he found out that because of his researches, that maybe the secret written by Sister Lucia Dos Santos, was divided in two parts.

One part is the so-called VISION, which was made public, and is the official version, according to the author, released by the Vatican, in year 2000. Maybe - according to the author - there is another piece of the secret, which is still secret. And, that one would be the explanation of the vision.

KC: Okay, now the vision was of the Bishop in white...

LS: Yes.

KC: With some people...

LS: Christians.

KC: Christians. Who died.

LS: Who died. Who die in a terrible, terrible way.

KC: A terrible way.

LS: They don’t die because of natural causes. They die because somebody is killing, killing them.

KC: Somebody.

LS: Yes. Yes. Soldiers, if I remember correct.

KC: Okay now, is this written about by Barbato, when he talked about the Third Secret of Fatima?

LS: Unfortunately, I have not the copies of the magazines.

KC: Uh huh. But this definitely took... The Jesuit’s attention was brought to this.

LS: Yes. You got the point. [picture of three children at Fatima on screen]. Because of this, because Barbato, of course, was not convinced that that message was the original message written by Sister Lucia. But by way, it seems that it contains twenty, twenty-five lines in Portuguese language. Twenty, twenty-five lines. And, if you pay attention to the official version, there is a discrepancy between...because the official version of the Third Secret of Fatima is longer.

But we know that Sister Lucia wrote a lot about the Third Secret of Fatima, maybe some notes about the vision and maybe a few lines about the explanation of the vision. And we are talking about what the Blessed Virgin Mary told her in the far year 1917, in Portugal, at Fatima. And also, in this book, you know, the research, the historical research, who indicates that Lucia, one of the three children, had a lot of problems to put on the paper the secret, because the secret, was, you know, maybe full of difficult things to accept.

And, if you pay attention to the other secrets, the First and the Second were about wars, the loss of faith, the rise of Communism in the Soviet Union. We are talking about, you know, planetary events. So it’s quite strange, you know that the Third Secret is the death of a Bishop on some stairways. It doesn’t make too much sense, according to me. But anyway...

The articles written by Barbato were about even the presence of another child, who was a witness of strange phenomena in those days at Fatima. If I remember well, her name was Carolina Carriera - if I remember well. And so the children who were witnesses were four, not three. I mean, in front of the crowd, when there was some miracle, there were three children. But there was another one, the fourth witness.

But most important was the contribution of the Portuguese book written by the Fina d’Armada. According to Joaquim Fernandes and Fina d’Armada, who are the authors of an outstanding book published in Portugal in 1982 about the possible extraterrestrial presence at those times, there was one more child involved in the strange phenomena at that time.

Moreover - this is the most important thing - what did they do? They checked the original transcript of the children, what they SAID at the beginning. Another point that I want to, you know, to make very clear, I’m not saying that the Blessed Virgin Mary does exist. This is very important. We had so many apparitions in Europe and France and Italy, you know. Even, I’m sure you are familiar with Medjugorje presumed-apparition, in the ex-Yugoslavia.

KC: OK. Certainly these are visions and apparitions, as you call them, of what appears to be the Virgin Mary. Anything is possible if it is generated by ETs.

LS: Something happened, for sure.

KC: Okay.

LS: Because in the last apparition, you had thousands and thousands of people who were witnesses of the so-called “Sun Miracle,” the Miracle of the Sun. You know? And of course, under the astronomical point of view, the sun... Nothing happened to the sun. Maybe something, you know, came from the heaven, from the sky, and it looked like a sun, but was not the sun. And there were many journalists, and there were witnesses, you know. And, they wrote articles on the newspapers, the Portugal newspapers. Something happened at that time. But what the...

KC: What did the children say? You said that they went back to the original testimony of the children. So what was the difference?

LS: Yes. The authors of the Portuguese book checked the original papers, where there were, you know, the original words. And they understood that, at the beginning, the impressions of the children were that there was a strange creature, apparently female and she did not move the lips. For example, she looked like maybe 14, 16 years old. So she was not a woman. She was a teenager.

KC: Okay.

LS: She had something in the hands, like a spear. She has a dress, a strange, you know, strange dress, strange suit. She did not look like the Blessed Virgin Mary, but this does mean that the Blessed Virgin Mary does not exist, of course.

KC: So is this what Barbato wrote about?

LS: Barbato studied the Portuguese book. This book is not published in Italy in Italian. Barbato studied the original one.

KC: Oh, wonderful!

LS: Anyway, because of this and other consideration made by Barbato on the basis of other, you know, churchmen, theologians and priests, who were not so... too much happy about the official version, Barbato wrote several articles. And, you know...

KC: So this had to catch the attention of the Jesuits and had to do with WHY they choose him?

LS: Yes. And they were following him even before.

KC: I see. And you know this because they told him this?

LS: Yes. I think so, yes. This is what I understood, you know, from my contacts with Barbato.

KC: Okay, and we’re going to speak with him today, is that right?

LS: Yes.

KC: Okay. So, here you have this mystery. You have the Third Secret of Fatima, you have him chosen...

LS: Excuse me, if I interrupt.

KC: Absolutely.

LS: The strange thing is that Barbato did not come out with information about the Third Secret of Fatima. There is not a single word about the Third Secret of Fatima. [sighs deeply] Maybe because it was a choice made by the Jesuits. Maybe because it was a choice made by Barbato.

Anyway, according to me, in my opinion, there could be a connection between this planet, which is an intruder - which WAS an intruder in our solar system in ancient past - and now it seems is a part of our solar system, and the Third Secret of Fatima.

KC: So are you saying that you’re making the connection but the Jesuit did NOT make that connection?

LS: No. There is not a single word from Barbato, which, you know, is a link, you know. Barbato did an outstanding work before the Jesuit footage came out. But...

KC: Okay. So you’re saying this is sort of what we call a “synchronicity?” Do you understand when I say that word, “synchronicity?”

LS: Yes.

KC: It means two events that are happening...

LS: Barbato is... in my opinion, Barbato is perfectly aware, is conscious of what there is behind the Third Secret of Fatima. First of all, because...

KC: Because he knows...

LS: First of all because he studied the subject, you know.

KC: Yes.

LS: For example, this book [picks up Socci book] is very important but it does not mention Cristoforo Barbato. But for example, it mentions Malachi Martin, who was a former Jesuit, very famous in the United States of America, because of...

KC: Malachi Martin?

LS: Malachi Martin, yes.

KC: Ah, yes.

LS: He participated to the Coast to Coast talk show...

KC: Yes, absolutely.

LS: Hosted by Art Bell.

KC: Very respected.

LS: And he died in 1999.

KC: That’s right.

LS: But he did something about the Third Secret of Fatima. He was not Jesuit any more because... He worked by the Holy See, in Vatican, in the ‘60s, in the last century. He was one of the assistants of a Cardinal. So in my opinion, he had the possibility to be involved in some secret aspects of the Vatican affairs. Anyway, in that book, Antonio Socci wrote a few lines about Malachi Martin and is not too much convinced about his witnesses, about his testimony. But anyway, it’s important because it mentioned Malachi Martin in the book and it doesn’t mention Cristoforo Barbato’s researches. It mentioned Malachi Martin because of his statements made at the Coast to Coast, the Art Bell show.

KC: Uh huh.

LS: But it doesn’t mention what Malachi Martin said at Art Bell show, about something that is approaching us, according to Malachi Martin’s words. And this is a quite important point.

KC: What did Malachi Martin say was approaching us?

LS: Yes.

KC: Do you know?

LS: Yes. I remember. I have the transcript of his words. I can read it for you. But anyway...

KC: That’s okay. We can put the words on the screen...

LS: Yes, I can tell you...

KC: ...and you can tell us your version.

LS: Yes, but the main point is the building of a new telescope by the Vatican on Mount Graham, in Arizona. This is an official astronomical site held by Vatican, in collaboration with the Arizona University. The name is Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. It is in public domain, they have a website, and the telescope has a mirror with a diameter about 1.8 meter. It’s expensive, a few million dollars.

KC: Why is that significant?

LS: Because it’s a little bit strange that you build an advanced telescope if, I mean, the main affairs of your country is keeping the faith, the Catholic faith, alive. So, the question made by Art Bell to Malachi Martin was: Why did they do this, Father?

And the answer of the former Jesuit, Malachi Martin, was the following, if I remember: Because those who are amongst the highest levels of the Vatican and the geopolitics know that what is approaching us could be of great import in the next 5 years, 10 years. Unquote. And this was said in 1997. Now we are in 2008.

But, you know, the problem is that we are facing radical climate changes. So if you give a look to the scientific articles about climate changes, there is not, you know, just one line. There are different lines. There are many scientists who say, Yes there are radical changes, the climate changes. We are guilty of this because of the pollution, because of the...

KC: Right. But they’re also saying – and, you know, we’ve interviewed David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland about this, which is - saying that the outer planets of our solar system are heating up.

LS: Yes. As a matter of fact, Richard Hoagland is the author, if I remember well, of the first article, written in 2003, about climate changes in the solar system. It was made available on his website.

KC: Yes.


KC: That’s right.

LS: And, it was in 2003. One of the most important points was that during the conversation between this Deep Throat - the Jesuit from the Vatican - and Barbato, the Jesuit said to Barbato that this planet, the presumed Planet X, Nibiru, would begin... would have begun... to affect the solar system from year 2004. And this happened in year 2000 or 2001.

KC: So why did Barbato stay silent about this story until 2005? Wasn’t it 2005 that he released it?

LS: It was 2005, yes. He came out from the booth in April 2005 when he was one of the spokesmen at the conference in Pescara, held by a local association - UFObserver - for many reasons. But the most important was that he didn’t realize... He didn’t realize his source of information. In spite of he check the credential; in spite of he checked, you know, the studies of Zecharia Sitchin. [picks up Sitchin’s book] Here’s his last book about the Earth Chronicles. And it talks, of course, about the End of Days.

KC: End of Days.

LS: Yes.

KC: If you could hold that up so we can get the... that would be... Yes. [camera shot of book]

LS: And so Barbato did a lot of researches about the information that the Jesuit gave to him.

KC: So it took him that long to become certain that it was okay.

LS: Also, I think he was afraid because this story... [Smiles] You interviewed Bob Dean, the former Sergeant-Major.

KC: That’s right.

LS: And he used an expression that I like so much about extraterrestrial affairs, about possible extraterrestrial presence in our solar system. He said this: This story is dynamite.

I perfectly agree with him! This story is dynamite because if Nibiru DOES exist, first of all, it’s a threat to all of us because its orbit, if it is the orbit described in the ancient text in Mesopotamia, is a cometary obit. So it means that at a certain point, this planet will be close to the sun and close to the other planets. And if its mass is bigger than Earth mass, we can have a lot of problems.

Also, because of - I can imagine - this planet has a magnetic field. As a matter of fact, there are... there is a strange behavior in the solar activity. And for a strange coincidence - but I don’t believe in the coincidence - this solar cycle, the solar cycle 24, will have its peak, its maximum, in the year 2011, 2012. And this doesn’t come from me, it doesn’t come from the Jesuit, it doesn’t come from Barbato. It comes from scientific forecasts made by NASA employees.

BR: I have to ask: what did the Jesuit say in terms of hard information about this planetoid’s orbit and its size, and its nature? Whether it’s a rocky planet or a big gas giant like Saturn? Or is it...

LS: The planet was described by Zecharia Sitchin. So we have an atmosphere, and we have the possibility to have life on the surface. It’s the planet described by the Sumerians.

BR: That’s what the Jesuit said?

LS: Yes, it’s Nibiru. But, he said more about the space program that they would have... that the Vatican, by secrecy, would have. We are talking about the Siloe Space Program. The Siloe Space Program would be part of the bigger one, and its name is Kerigma. Kerigma is a Greek word. It means “proclamation, annunciation.”

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November 28, 2011

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction and that certainly fits the situation now seen at the highest levels of power in Western civilization. In essence, the story is that the true source of power in the West, control of the financial system, fell into the hands of fanatical religious cultists who wanted to artificially make the prophecies in an ancient religious text (the Torah or Old Testament), come true. This fraud-based is enterprise is now falling apart. The result is unprecedented chaos at the highest levels of power in the sect-controlled governments of the United States, England, France, Italy, Germany and their slave states. One of the immediate triggers is a lawsuit that was filed in New York on November 23rd, claiming the assets of the global financial system belong to the people of the planet and not a powerful religious cult that uses the United Nations as a façade.

The immediate story behind this lawsuit is the hidden history of the 20th and early 21st centuries. It goes back the 1930’s when the world’s gold was confiscated from private citizens and placed into centralized storage areas by the families that controlled the Western financial system. Since neither most Jews nor many Asian wealthy families wished to hand over their gold, the cult staged World War 2 in order to confiscate it.

At the Bretton Woods conference in 1944, control of the post war financial system was given to England, France and the United States for a 50-year period in exchange for promises to develop the planet.

These promises were broken when a subtle cultist coup d’etat began with the assassination of President Roosevelt. Instead of global development, the religious cultists started the cold war. Their aim was to stage an end-times war between “Gog and Magog” that would result in the death of 90% of humanity and leave the remaining 10% of humanity as slaves of the cultists.

A group of 77 nations, known as the non-aligned group, disagreed with these plans and signed an international agreement known as the Hilton Green memorial that placed their gold and assets (equivalent to 85% of the world’s known supply) under the signatory power of President Soekarno of Indonesia.

When President Kennedy realized he was nearly fooled by the cultists into starting a nuclear holocaust with the Soviet Union, he agreed to work with the non-aligned nations on a Marshall Plan to develop Asia and Africa. Soekarno signed over some gold to the US government and Kennedy began issuing dollars controlled by the US government and not the sect-controlled Federal Reserve Board. Kennedy was subsequently assassinated and Soekarno was driven from power.

At this point the cultists forged the rights to create money based on the non-aligned assets using arcane financial instruments devised by Henry Kissinger, financial adviser to the Pope. The non-aligned nations, lacking the military power, were helpless to stop this theft.

The cultists created a false organization known as the OITC headed by a Cambodian by the name of R.C. Dam, to claim legitimate ownership of the assets that backed the global financial system.

With their Soviet vs Western world Gog-Magog plan not working, the cultists devised a new plan. According to this plan (as reported by Israeli newspapers among others) the new Gog would be the G5 Nations (England, France, Germany, Italy and the United States) while the Magog would be Russia, China and Iran. The immediate trigger to this new Armageddon was to be a limited nuclear war between Israel and Iran (this is what is behind all those hysterical headlines about the “Iranian nuclear threat.”).

Fortunately for us, the Pentagon, the Russian Military and the Chinese government were all refusing to go along with this insane cult scenario.

Instead, an elaborate sting operation was set up by the combined intelligence and police organizations of many nations to end cult control of the Western financial system.

This involved first trying to cash $1 trillion worth of bonds issued by the cult-controlled Federal Reserve Board in exchange for Asian gold. One of the cult’s main organizations, the P2 Freemason lodge (members of the P2 lodge told this writer they controlled both the Mafia and the Vatican), offered to cash these bonds. Instead they absconded with the bonds and tried to cash them.

The investigative trail, illustrated in detail in the legal complaint

led, among others, to the fraudulent OITC and the United Nations as well as UN chief Ban Ki Moon.

Moon, by the way, is associated with the Unification Church, a cult that has been linked to drug smuggling, arms dealing and professional assassins (we have the testimony of a moonie killer). The Unification Church has a large ranch next to the Bush ranch in Paraguay. The cultists were planning to flee either to underground bases or the Southern Hemisphere when their fake Armageddon started.

Moon has been recently trying to use fraudulent financial documents to take control of global collateral accounts. He wants to use this money to take over African nation states and resources.

Moon, of course, is a lackey of high level cultists like the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, Henry Kissinger, the Warburgs, the Morgans, the Rothschilds and the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate. They exercised their power through unelected, non-representative organizations like the committee of 300, the Bilderbergers, the Council on Foreign Relations, the United Nations, the IMF and the World Bank.

The very fountain of their power in the post-war era was fraud perpetrated on the people of the planet. This lawsuit gets at the very heart of that fraud by uncovering the fact there is no valid international treaty that justifies their control of the Global Collateral Accounts backed assets of the people of the planet. Their control was enforced by murder, bribery and lies, not mutual consent.

As the cult control grid in the G5 countries falls apart over the coming weeks and months, humanity will be presented with mind-boggling information about their hidden history. New ways of running the planet will be openly debated.

In the West, it will mean that people will choose their own destinies instead of being brainwashed by cultists into irrational, non-scientific for-profit cult schemes like the “War on Terror.” Technology, like free energy, that has been suppressed and monopolized by cultists will be made available to the public at large. There will be a lot of confusion initially as the sheeple are set free and told to do what they wish, according to their desires so long as they do not harm others.

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Time is Short

It's your fault...

with respect, let us be clear.


At this time, and for a period that i have reason to suspect extends to March of next year, a delicate balance exists in the planetary social body.

A small number of psychopaths will end that balance with a global war of such proportions that most humans will NOT survive it.

Let me restate this for clarity: the small number of people who rule this planet are proceeding with their plans to engage the masses of humanity to fight each other until most are dead.

This is their intent. They have chosen a day in March of next year that represents certain symbolic energies in their twisted understanding of universe to escalate to the next level of their horror show.

Even now the aware observer sees daily maneuvering in their propaganda media to vilify an enemy and to spark contention and divide humanity along the artificial lines of the geopolitical map drawn by our 'masters'.

The collapse of the paper money system is in play as the distraction for those humans not content with 'bread and circus', nor the broadcast pabulum for damaged minds (the 'news').

All this so that armies are not observed as they are set in motion.

But this is an old, even ancient story, and we have all seen it before...just as we are now seeing it again.

This time, however, new special effects will be added to this war. This time, the actual horror of scalar (quanta affective energy weapons) will be thrown into the regular terror of metals and chemicals searing through soft human flesh.

It is underway now, this 'next war'. One only need look around carefully to watch as they, the psychopaths (some of whom you call 'leaders'), wage war on humanity.

You see, it has never been us against each other. No, the ONLY war ever has been the psychopaths against us, humanity. In fact, and in spite of appearances to the contrary, every war in the past has always been 'them' against 'us'.

THE problem is that we let the psychopaths decide who is 'us', and who is 'them'.

For my part, i am with humans. This makes me 'against' them, the psychopaths. They won't understand that, being so blinded by their own surety of purity they are certain that everyone wants to be them, but even the psychopaths will understand that right now, a state of grace exists.

This is a special time, to the educated palate the karios of the moment imparts a dark, and bitter-sweet flavor.

At this juncture, humanity, the whole stinking roiling contentious disparate, and dysfunctional mass of us, over these next few precious months, needs to learn to ALL live together, for surely, if we let the psychopaths begin this next war, we will ALL die together.

This one thing is true: they are not in control, you are. Remember, if this shit war happens, it is your fault.



copyright does not matter now. We have mere months.

November 27, 2011 by clif high

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If You Thought Police Brutality Was Bad … Wait Until You See What Congress Wants to Do Next Week

The police brutality against peaceful protesters in Berkeley, Davis, Oakland and elsewhere is bad enough.

But next week, Congress will vote on explicitly creating a police state.

The ACLU’s Washington legislative office explains:

The Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.


The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world.


The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself. The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday.


I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?


In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”


The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown.

Part of an Ongoing Trend

While this is shocking, it is not occurring in a vacuum. Indeed, it is part of a 30 year-long process of militarization inside our borders and a destruction of the American concepts of limited government and separation of powers.

As I pointed out in May:

The ACLU noted yesterday [that] Congress is proposing handing permanent, world-wide war-making powers to the president – including the ability to make war within the United States:


As I noted in 2008:

An article in the Army Times reveals that the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team will be redeployed from Iraq to domestic operations within the United States.

The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with “civil unrest” and “crowd control”.

The soldiers are learning to use so-called “nonlethal weapons” designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.

This violates posse comitatus and the Constitution. But, hey, we’re in a “national emergency”, so who cares, right?

(We’re still in a declared state of national emergency).

I noted a couple of months later:

Everyone knows that deploying 20,000 troops on U.S. soil violates Posse Comitatus and the Constitution.

And everyone understands that staging troops within the U.S. to “help out with civil unrest and crowd control” increases the danger of overt martial law.

But no one is asking an obvious question: Does the government’s own excuse for deploying the troops make any sense?

Other Encroachments On Civil Rights Under Obama

As bad as Bush was, the truth is that, in many ways, freedom and constitutional rights are under attack even more than during the Bush years.

For example:

Obama has presided over the most draconian crackdown on leaks in our history — even more so than Nixon.

As Marjorie Cohen – professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and past president of the National Lawyers Guild – writes at the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy:

Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, who is facing court-martial for leaking military reports and diplomatic cables to WikiLeaks, is being held in solitary confinement in Quantico brig in Virginia. Each night, he is forced to strip naked and sleep in a gown made of coarse material. He has been made to stand naked in the morning as other inmates walked by and looked. As journalist Lance Tapley documents in his chapter on torture in the supermax prisons in The United States and Torture, solitary confinement can lead to hallucinations and suicide; it is considered to be torture. Manning’s forced nudity amounts to humiliating and degrading treatment, in violation of U.S. and international law.

Nevertheless, President Barack Obama defended Manning’s treatment, saying, “I’ve actually asked the Pentagon whether or not the procedures . . . are appropriate. They assured me they are.” Obama’s deference is reminiscent of President George W. Bush, who asked “the most senior legal officers in the U.S. government” to review the interrogation techniques. “They assured me they did not constitute torture,” Bush said.


After State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley criticized Manning’s conditions of confinement, the White House forced him to resign. Crowley had said the restrictions were “ridiculous, counterproductive and stupid.” It appears that Washington is more intent on sending a message to would-be whistleblowers than on upholding the laws that prohibit torture and abuse.


Torture is commonplace in countries strongly allied with the United States. Vice President Omar Suleiman, Egypt’s intelligence chief, was the lynchpin for Egyptian torture when the CIA sent prisoners to Egypt in its extraordinary rendition program. A former CIA agent observed, “If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear – never to see them again – you send them to Egypt.” In her chapter in The United States and Torture, New Yorker journalist Jane Mayer cites Egypt as the most common destination for suspects rendered by the United States.

As I pointed out in March:

Former constitutional law teacher Glenn Greenwald says that – in his defense of state secrecy, illegal spying, preventative detention, harassment of whistleblowers and other issues of civil liberties – Obama is even worse than Bush.

Indeed, Obama has authorized “targeted assassinations” against U.S. citizens. Even Bush didn’t openly do something so abhorrent to the rule of law.

Obama is trying to expand spying well beyond the Bush administration’s programs. Indeed, the Obama administration is arguing that citizens should never be able to sue the government for illegal spying.

Obama’s indefinite detention policy is an Orwellian nightmare, which will create more terrorists.

Furthermore – as hard as it is for Democrats to believe – the disinformation and propaganda campaigns launched by Bush have only increased under Obama. See this and this.

And as I pointed out last year:

According to Department of Defense training manuals, protest is considered “low-level terrorism”. And see this, this and this.

An FBI memo also labels peace protesters as “terrorists”.


A 2003 FBI memo describes protesters’ use of videotaping as an “intimidation” technique, even though – as the ACLU points out – “Most mainstream demonstrators often use videotape during protests to document law enforcement activity and, more importantly, deter police from acting outside the law.” The FBI appears to be objecting to the use of cameras to document unlawful behavior by law enforcement itself.

The Internet has been labeled as a breeding ground for terrorists, with anyone who questions the government’s versions of history being especially equated with terrorists.

Government agencies such as FEMA are allegedly teaching that the Founding Fathers should be considered terrorists.

The government is also using anti-terrorism laws to keep people from learning what pollutants are in their own community. See this, this, this and this.

Claims of “national security” are also used to keep basic financial information – such as who got bailout money – secret. That might not bode for particularly warm and friendly treatment for someone persistently demanding the release of such information.

The state of Missouri tried to label as terrorists current Congressman Ron Paul and his supporters, former Congressman Bob Barr, libertarians in general, anyone who holds gold, and a host of other people.

And according to a law school professor and former president of the National Lawyers Guild, pursuant to the Military Commissions Act:

Anyone who … speaks out against the government’s policies could be declared an “unlawful enemy combatant” and imprisoned indefinitely. That includes American citizens.

Obama has refused to reverse these practices.

There Is Still a Chance to Stop It

The ACLU notes that there is some hope:

But there is a way to stop this dangerous legislation. Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) is offering the Udall Amendment that will delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power. The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values.


The solution is the Udall Amendment; a way for the Senate to say no to indefinite detention without charge or trial anywhere in the world where any president decides to use the military. Instead of simply going along with a bill that was drafted in secret and is being jammed through the Senate, the Udall Amendment deletes the provisions and sets up an orderly review of detention power. It tries to take the politics out and put American values back in.


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Echos from the Abyss


Trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together again

It becomes a  very  difficult task to try  and look  back  on  ones  life to  try  and  understand   why a certain  set  of  circumstances  have  unfolded  as   they  have.  Not  to mention understanding  what  set  it all in  motion  to  begin  with.  All  we  do  and  all  we  perceive  as  possible  corrective measures in  our life when a slight tweaking is  needed all  comes  from the  same  place.  That  place  deep   within us  where  we  make  the  decisions of  what  is right and  what  is wrong  for our  lives.  That  place where we rationalize the  decisions we  make because  of our view  of  what  our  world  should  or  must  be.  How  many of  us  truly  look  around to  assess  that  world and  verify   if it is indeed  what  we  want  and  not  what  we  have been  programmed  to want  and  expect?

In  my  case I remember a new  position heralded  as  a great thing for  we  were convinced that  our  talent  was    greatly appreciated.  That we  had  been   chosen  for our  talent  and  our aptitude.  Our desire  to truly help others and  make a  difference.  As well as  our  desire to  excel  in  what  we  do.  The  rigors  of  the  position, the responsibilities lain on  our shoulders was a heavy  burden to say the  least.  We  were  told   we  had been  chosen  for a  reason  and  they  were  confident we  would  excel.  The  expectations, the   rhetoric spoon fed us on a daily  basis was  more  than  many  could handle.  Some  folded  before  the  6  weeks  of  training  were   up.  Those  of us  who stayed understood  the  difficulty of  finding a  good  paying  job  and so we  did   what  we had  to do  to  survive and  make it through this as  yet  unidentified  rat’s maze..

The   stress had  taken  it’s  toll.  Most  of us  were  stressed beyond  words and we  all hated the  job with a  passion.  The  more  we  were  exposed  to  what  the  job  truly  entailed  the  more  we  understood that it was all a  lie.  We  were  not there to  make a  difference,  we  were  there  to  fill  seats and meet  quotas.  It  was  never  about  helping the  customer  it  was  about  damage control.  Yet  never  going  beyond  the  petty  arsenal of inconsequential band aids for  proverbial open  wounds  we  had  been  given to  make things  right.  Gift  cards and  bogus  protection agreements  for  appliances   that  did not  function  properly,  or  arrived  damaged 3 out of  4  times.  Technical   service that  never  arrived  or  was  constantly  rescheduled due to lack of  personnel or  overbooked  schedules.  Families  with  small children  or  Elderly with  no  working  refrigerators  and  no   hope of  service  or  repair  for another 3 weeks.  Washers  that  had  been  taken  apart  and wrong   parts  ordered or placed on  back  order.  That  limbo  where  they  cannot  tell you  when  it  will  ship.  They  cannot  tell you  when  it  will be  available and therefore  can  never  tell you  when your  appliance  will be repaired.  This  elusive  manufacturer that  says  the parts  are not  available,  who are  responsible  for making the  part  that  has been  ordered.  However  are  unable to  tell one  when it  will be  available  or if it  will ever  be  available.

To these situations we  were “Management  Empowered” armed with   gift  cards or  product discounts on a  next  purchase  of  course, never  on the  offending  appliance in  question.  Never anything that  would make  sense to the   customers  immediate  problem.  Like   vultures  feeding  off the  reputation the  Company  had  built  for a  very  long  time yet  no longer  possesses.  A reputation  for  standing  behind  everything they  sold.  Honor bound  to their dedication  to the  customer  that  so  loyally stayed  and  continued to do business with   them.  They  had  grown  to  respect and  admire this  company for their  business   ethics.  Not  understanding  that  the  company they  had  once  known.  The   company  their  Parents had been  loyal to  for  so many  years had  been  purchased by a  sub standard company who cared nothing   about Honor, nor their  commitment to their  customers or the  products  they  sold.  Brand  Loyalty  was  the  battle cry on the floor.  The Honorable Company  name  purchased to be  used as a  shield  to  hide their  true  identities.  Like  thieves in the dark always  undercover so as  not to be  discovered.

You  never learn this from the  outside  however,  it  is  something  only  an insider  is  privy to.  The  rotten inner  workings of a  company who’s  sole  purpose is the bottom  line and  those  who help  them achieve  it.  Profit  before people, honor or ethics.  False  empathy  quotas and  requirements  shoved  down  our  throats and  held over  our  heads  on a  daily basis.  All  lies to justify the  web  of lies  already  underway.   We all,  unwitting  accessories  to the  crimes  already  being perpetrated  against  an unsuspecting  public.  The  dread  of the  phones,  the  dread  of more lies,  the  screaming  and   recrimination.   Being  called   the  arm  of  Corporate  Greed.  The  outright accusations  of being a thief and an  enabler. A  facilitator  for  thieves  to get  away  with their  crimes.  When  all one is  trying to  do  is feed ones family and  pay  one’s  bills.  Yes ,  at  a job   we  hated.  Yes,  at  a job that  made  us sick to our  stomachs.  Yes,  at a  job  that made us feel   vile.

We  look   around at the veterans  of  this organization and  can  see  the  lack of  care.  The  cold  hard reality that  they  will  admit  to only a  select  few.  They have reached a  point  where  the  empathy  is that  which  the company  requires  in their   quotas  and they have  learned  to manufacture it so the reviewers will  give  them  adequate numbers so they  can  move on  to the  next call.  Or the  next  better   higher paying  position.  They  would  just as  soon  say  no  to  a  7 month pregnant woman  stressing  because she  has  children in her  home  and  the refrigerator is not  cooling.  She  cannot  keep  milk  for the  babies.  They  must  eat  out because  all their food  has  gone  bad  waiting  for  service.  Or the   Elderly  woman   who has  insulin that needs to  be  refrigerated and  has  no  protection  agreement so is  considered a  cash call and a  nuisance that must  be  dealt with albeit not happily because they are  not  profit  generators.  Both  are  viewed  and treated in the very  same manner.  With  cold  disregard  for their  human  condition.  Without  compassion  for their individual stories.  Both are told they  will have to wait for  service   for  as  long  as it takes  because  that is  how it is.  There  will be  no one  else  available and  no one  will be  paid overtime  to  help  them  with their  problem.

They  do not  count ,  they  do not matter and   are  fed  the   same canned  empathy that  everyone  else  receives. …..” We understand  how   frustrating it  must  be for  you  to have a  refrigerator  that  isn’t  working” ……  “We  understand  how important  a  refrigerator is  in a  household  with  children  or  for  your  medication.   We  understand  and  we  sympathize, however”…………..  The  biggest  joke  being that  we were  expected  to  make  the  customer  feel as if  they  had  been   helped  when  in fact   we  had  done  absolutely   nothing  for their plight.  Being penalized in our  numbers and  rating  when   obviously the   customer  was not happy  with the  outcome,  because there  was  nothing that  could be  done  aside  from  the  gift  card  or  future purchase band aid.  However, it  was  our  job to  sell it  as a  remedy  somehow.  Our  job  to  convince the   customer  that an  answer  was at  hand  for their  troubles  when  none  was  forthcoming.

Day in and  day  out.  Week in and  week  out.  Nothing  changes,  the  stories  are all the same and we continue to  perpetuate  the problem and  the lies for a   paycheck.  We   continue  to  apply  the  measly  band aids  to  open  gaping  sores.   Where  does one  draw  the line  to what  one will  do  for a  paycheck?   Where   does  one’s self respect and self  worth  kick  in  to  say  “Enough”?   Where  does the  human   body and   the  human  psyche put it’s proverbial  foot down and  say ,”I have had  quite enough!”

Does one  snap?   Does  one simply  walk  away?   Does one  continue  to do  what every fiber  of  ones being is  rejecting?

Nightly  fevers that continue  for  weeks.  Progressing to  fevers that  now  affect  me  during  the  day.  Causing  my thinking to  be  unclear.  Causing  me to  not be on the ball  while  performing  my job.  All the  while working  to  make it  better. Using  positive  affirmations.  Changing  the  energy around me  from  negative to positive. Willing  only   good  calls  to  come my way with   customers  who  were   calm  ,  kind  and  understanding.  Having  success and  actually   seeing  in  real  time  the  difference   my  intentions and  positive  affirmations were  making in the  calls  that I  was  receiving.  My  calls became   calmer with   customers  who  were  more  understanding of  the  situation and my inability to  truly  make  a  difference  aside  from  caring  and  trying to help.  Inadequate to say the  least……….

To be  running  fevers and  to  try  and  make management  understand that  I cannot   function  with a  fever.   That I was  no  good  to them that  way  and  I  needed  to rest.  I  understood  I  would not get paid and  that  was   fine.  No one  gets  paid  for  not  working  ( at  least  not those  who really   work  for a living).  I was  stonewalled  and  told that  if I  went  home  for  whatever   reason  I  would be penalized.  That the  best  I  could hope  for  was voluntary  time off to  be issued  perhaps  2  hours  before  the  end of  my  shift  so I  could  go  home  early.  No medical  coverage  for  a  year .  Only   this petty   little  facsimile  of a health coverage that  could be  purchased  temporarily until  coverage kicked in a  year later.

A team  manager  had  recently  had a  sore  throat  and  was   sent  home  for  3 days  to avoid  anyone  else  getting  sick.  So with  my  recent  experience  with  fevers and  penalties for  leaving  early I  could  quite easily come to the conclusion that the health  they  were  concerned  about  was  never  the  Agent on  the  floor.  But  rather  the  management  staff.  They  mattered  and  we  were  just  part  of the  unwashed  masses  that   no one  cared  about.

My psyche  put it’s foot  down…………..

I went  home  with a  fever  of  102 almost  delirious.  The heat  in the  palms  of  my  hands  and  behind  my  eyeballs so intense  it  burned literally.  My  head  was spacey I  was  coherent  and  yet  not.   I  went to bed hoping that  getting  some  rest   would help my  body  to  start  to mend.  For  4 hours I was  delirious  and   yet   curiously   no longer   warm to the  touch.  The fever  had  disappeared and  what  remained  was  truly alarming to me.  There  was  nothing  but  blackness with  flashes of  pictures now and  then.  For the  most  part  nothing  but  blackness and   deep silence.  I  felt  as  I  was  drifting  on a  black  sea of  nothingness.  No sensations  , no  sounds just floating on the  nothingness.  When  finally  I  awoke  from  my  journey to the  abyss there was barely  any  memory.  All that  I  remember  today  has  been  painstakingly analyzed and pieced together from  conversations with  my  children  and  bits  and pieces I remember or  come back to me  at  random

I  find  myself a  stranger  in my  own life.  The life  of the  woman I  was   or  thought  myself to be.  Part  of me  still  lost in that  abyss.  Strange  sensation  to  know  that  one  exists in the  here and  now ,  but  feels  as if   part of one is  very  far  away  on  another  plane of  existence.  I  had  been changed   somehow  and  for  some  purpose completely unknown to me.  What  was  the  purpose?………..   Who was  I   really?……….  How would this  affect the  way I coexist with  others?……….   I  do not   even  feel  as  if  I am  the  same  person.  There  is a  detachment  from  this  body  from  this present  existence  that  had never  been  there.  The life force  and  intensity   has  always  been there  at the  forefront.  A very intricate   part  of  who I  was.  Yet,  here I  was and  none of that  mattered  anymore.  The  only  thing  I  was  sure  of  was that   I was  no longer the  same  person  I was  before.  Not  better  not  worse ,  just  different.  My  compassion  is  still the same. My  need  for  justice  and  fair play also still intact.  What  no  longer  exists in  me  is the need to be  part  of this  world and  the  everyday  mundane.  I can no longer  be  part of the  cruelty and apathy that  becomes  so prevalent in our  day to day  lives.  If  I  cannot be  part  of the   solution  I  will not be  part  of the  problem.

There  resides  within me now a   quiet ,  calm understanding that this is a  world  I have  created  for myself.  The  change in  vibratory  level   that  I wanted  so  badly.  That  I  worked  so  hard  for  has  brought  me  peace.  Not   peace  as  I had  envisioned,  but  peace  nonetheless..  I have  found it  very  difficult  to  bring my  thoughts  out  of  the  far  off  abyss to become  tangible  and  accessible.  It was   very  difficult  for  me  to   formulate  ideas and  actually give  them  enough   fluidity  to actually give  them  life  and  communicate  them  properly.  My  spelling has  suffered  tremendously and the  speed  at  which  I  was  able   to discern has  suffered  a great  deal  as  well.  I  was   quick and very  good  at  expressing  my  thoughts no matter   how complex  they  may  have  been.   I have lost  that  and  am not  sure  if  I  will every  regain what I  had.  It is  as if  I have been  forced to slow  down  so I  could  better  see  what  goes on around  me instead  of  being   3  steps  ahead of the game  as   the  business  world  teaches us  to be.

I  find  myself now  wondering  at the  simplest  of things viewing things  as  if  seeing them  for the very   first  time.  My  journey has  begun in a  very  strange  way.  I  look  for  literature that  can  help  me  understand  what  has  happened to  me  and  I   have  found  nothing.  So my inner  journey  continues trying  to  be  human  again and  connected in  some  way  to  all that  which   surrounds me.  It  is a  strange  new   world for me  in  so many   ways.  Those  who have  sent  your  love  and  your   positive intentions have made a  very   big impact  in this  new  life of  mine.  For  it  has  reinforced  that  which   lives  so  vibrantly  within  me.  Love and  the  connection   we  have  to   one  another.  I  feel that  with  every   fiber  of  my  being.  Thank you all for the  love  you  have  shared  with me.

I  feel  that I  have changed  something  inside  myself and  now  I  must   rediscover  who I  am  and  what  my  place in  this  world  really  is.  I  would have  liked  it to  be a  more  clear   an  concise discovery.  However,  perhaps in my  case  I  recognize  that  logic and  my  analytic  nature needed to  be  bypassed and  so  it has been………….

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