STEP RIGHT UP, FOLKS
Hear the snarls and sneers, see the aging allegations being thrown around,
observe cult mentalities in action, and find out what really lies behind those happy-face masks.
And don't forget to check back when you need a good laugh, because the circus has come to town!
This blog documents attacks from poleshift.ning.com. You will see recurring themes which are highly suggestive of coming from one source, that source being Nancy Lieder, owner of Zetatalk.com and de facto owner of poleshift.ning.com. I will be posting the newest rants on the bottom (reverse order is too hard to follow). I have provided dates and times since links seem to be quickly outdated as new articles are posted (i.e., they are pushed backwards to earlier page numbers since the newest additions are always on page 1 in blogs, so scroll if the links don't hit it just right, or use the dates and times as a guide).
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On 6/19/2011, we were visited by Mark, acting in his official capacity as a poleshift.ning moderator, here to "set us right" and, failing that, try to discredit us and get some of our members to jump ship over to poleshift.ning. Here's what he had to say...
"honestly Cheryl you have lost the plot girl - why on earth do you spend your days trying to debunk what is said on Zetatalk when the premise for your whole site is based on the information that they have provided?
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you - you wouldn't even know anything at all about the possibility of a poleshift if it wasn't for Zetatalk. But you choose to take their words, twist them and then present what comes out as your own pronouncements as to what will happen regarding a potential poleshift.
A case in point is where you give your own guidelines as to safe heights to be inland and above sea level to survive the poleshift - different from the advice on the ZT site but still the same advice essentially - just the numbers altered to make it sound like you are the authority on the subject.
And also the amount of time you spend attacking ZT on your site (like in this post) when they are your bread and butter - you just can't admit that to yourself or to your small number of followers.
Then you make the situation worse for yourself by promoting establishment lies like comet Elenin, which makes you no better than a government shill.
I mean, seriously, you've read something that provides you with some weak material that enables you to try and debunk a single ZT article from 5 years ago!!! Your are obviously desperate!
When the earthchanges really pick up and the 7/10 events eventually hit the news, who do you think the public will turn to for information - your ning or Gerard's ning and Zetatalk?
You will very quickly become irrelevant but no doubt you will still be here spouting your crap, not realising that no-one is listening anymore.
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"Larry" posted these comments on the Elenin/Dwarf Star JPL Event Timeline blog @ https://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A95262&commentId=6126809%3AComment%3A111216&xg_source=activity:
- Comment by Larry on July 6, 2011 at 1:37pm
I have carefully looked into matters and reached a conclusion: This is a ZetaTalk debunking site and not much more! Cheryl Nelson left the Pole Shift Ning when she was involuntarily removed as a moderator (no matter what else she claims). Until that happened she fullly accepted that something big is coming and no government is telling the common man what it is and that thing is PLANET X!
So Cheryl, being power mad and INSANELY jealous of the attention Nancy Lieder receives as the only true emissary of the Zetas, started her own ning where she could be in complete control. ZetaTalk that Cheryl used to accept as true became NZL (Nancy ZetaTalk?) instead in a pathetic attempt to explain away Nancy, ZetaTalk and the Pole Shift Ning she used to support.
Sounds like sour grapes and a sore loser to me!
But guess what? Although black ops agents early identified Cheryl as a possible way to bring down the Pole Shift Ning, the joke is on her! This "ning" is crawling with professional debunkers who are pushing ANYTHING other than Planet X as the true cause of the now obvious, unexplained earth changes.
Furthermore, Cheryl is NOT what she claims to be: An Old Soul with an important mission or role (ALL Old Souls on earth are Star Children and a Cheryl is an immature earth soul). Please give me a major league break! In communication with "good" Zetas? CZL (Cheryl ZetaTalk, all made up to make herself look as important as Nancy because the evidence is going against Cheryl, her handlers, and the dupes on here).
Go ahead and suspend me. Don't care! I am wasting my time here as others have discovered for themselves. But I will watch to see if all the Comet Elenin blogs disappear when a puny comet does NOT cause a pole shift in September or October 2011. How do I know? Becuase this site NEVER, EVER admits the HUGE number of past failed predictions on here. That's how I know.
The sad part: When all of you realized you have been duped by someone taking orders from agents who are trying to take down ZetaTalk and the Pole Shift Ning as soon as possible because they are the PRIMARY source for spreading the Truth, you will probably not remember who was telling the TRUTH all along because you will be too busy rushing to prepare for the pole shift and precursor disaters caused by PLANET X, that's why! Good luck and please remember this lesson. Just because syrup drips from someone's mouth does NOT mean they are service to other, not at all.
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Here are my reponses on the ELEnin/Dwarf Star JPL Event Timeline blog ...
Comment by Cheryl Nelson on July 6, 2011 at 7:10pm
Oh, Larry, Larry, Larry. You've been so programmed by Miss Lieder, you sound just like her. How do you like sounding like a 70-year old woman suffering from senile dementia? I pity you so. Everything you say is not original, as she has said it first and the others she sends here sound just like her too. You are just a wind-up doll doing her dirty work and when the axe falls (and it's coming) you will fall with it and she'll just scurry away leaving others holding her bag of dirty tricks.
If she really is with the Zs, how come this site continues to exist despite her venomous assaults? Because it is her schoolhouse lesson in how to learn typical gov't disinfo tactics? How come all she can throw at us is trolls from NY (not Plano, TX)? Or how about poleshift.ning moderator Mark? You types come in to do a quick shit and run, always. Well, that's SOP. Now that you've done your S&R, please wipe your butt on the way out.
You think you've done your homework on me? LOL, you and your comrades haven't said anything true about me yet; nothing but parroting the lies that is your daily food. Aren't you getting sick of the rants? Aren't you a bit off target trying to silence another voice warning people of potential disasters? Do you really think seven billion people are going to come to poleshift.ning? Most of the planet's people don't even have internet. Even a billion people would crash the servers. What an ass she is to hang on to a monopoly. By doing her ego trip, she is denying so many people information. We NEED more sites like this. But Miss Lieder was soooo against that idea because of her ego tripping. Get real, man. Everyone can't possibly turn to zetatalk and psning during the 11th hour, it would be impossible.
So, good boy, Mr. Lap Dog, you did your duty/doodie, but you accomplished nothing except prove my point about what's going on over at psning and what a piece of work Miss Lieder truly is.
But you certainly haven't done your homework on Miss Lieder, now have you? I rebutted all her snarling, sneering allegations last year WITH PROOF. Seen it yet? If you haven't, well then you haven't done all your homework. Bet she hasn't even told you it exists. She, on the other hand, has proven nothing that I am what she claims I am. She offers NOTHING except empty, unprovable words. And yes, I have witnessed her using false ZT on me. And yes, I have found holes in ZT science. And I and others have witnessed her have a psychotic break. THAT is why she's gunning for me. To silence the truth.
And, back then, she equated me with Mother Teresa. And I still have the email. Gasp! Was Mother Nancy wrong? Back then, no. (Don't construe that to mean that I think I am anything like Mother Teresa, but I am STO, and just for the record, I've had readings from several channels who independently confirm that I am a star child, an old soul.) So, what changed her mind? Jealousy. She's a stage hog. No one but her is going to be the star. The thing she totally missed is I have no desire for limelight or power or anything of that ilk. I wasn't jealous of her at all. In fact, I was rather fond of her until she had her psychotic break. (Remember DR, Shadow & Karen Lee were all there and witnessed it too.)
Anyway, jealousy, power and all that are low vibration third density traps which she has squarely fallen into. Why would I take the abuse I get here, solely from her or her people, if I wasn't here on a mission to inform people of the coming danger? I stay at my post despite all your fantasies.
Actually, though, Nancy has proven one thing: she has proven that she is a vile, slanderous STS has-been who has undue influence over the minds of vulnerable people. Like yourself.
You are here to do nothing but disrupt. No one here buys your kind of talk because people have gotten to know me and I have long-ago proven Miss Lieder to be something less than a truthful, STO being. So, you are talking to the air. And your own vicious attack proves you aren't an STO being either. Funny how like attracts like, isn't it? Well, she and your type can say all you want. My hands are clean.
When you are inside a cult, you think you and your comrades are the only sane ones. But everyone on the outside of the cult see an entirely different picture. You can't see how crazy you sound and how lame your arguments are and how all the sneering and snarling makes you look like an incredibly nasty person. Everything you said about me is baseless. Where's the proof? Because Nancy said so? Or Nancy said the Zetas said so? That's not proof. There is no documentary evidence. There are no witnesses. She can say anything she pleases and who can verify it? That's dangerous. Look at Harold Camping. How is Nancy any different from him?
However, no matter how nasty your comment was, I will turn your pathetic attempt at "attack" into something good.
[This "discussion" continues onto the Classic Attacks blog.]
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"Larry's next response appears on this, the Classic Attacks, blog @ https://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6126809%3ABlogPost%3A111975&commentId=6126809%3AComment%3A112858&xg_source=activity .
Larry denies he has any connection with poleshift.ning, GZ or NL, yet he talks just like them. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck...well, then, it must be a duck!
Comment by Larry on July 7, 2011 at 12:41pm:
Wow. Thanks, Cheryl, for proving my points!
First of all you have ZERO evidence that I have anything to do with the Pole Shift Ning, Gerard Zwaan, or Nancyd Lieder. But you went right ahead and ASSUMED there is a connection.
Then you made a blog based on my comment and the comment of another person (who I assume is a moderator at the Pole Shift Ning, but how does Cheryl know that, got a list of the moderators to peruse?).
And talk about PARANOID! Double wow! Cheryl Nelson is practically the definition of paranoid based on insisting on IP addresses for all members, preapproval of all memberships, and choosing to take legit concerns about this site to such a level IMMEDIATELY. Scared, Cheryl, of the truth getting out about you and this site being a ZetaTalk debunking site?
Cheryl has almost no idea how her OWN posts all over the internet actually make her look like a complete fool. Cheryl apparently THINKS she is smarter than everyone else. Most people can recognize when someone is simply DISGRUNTLED and not legit, not trying to help people, just trying to make her own points no matter how absurd (like Comet Elenin being anything more than a small comet), and that is Cheryl Nelson.
No one made you start this "ning" did they Cheryl? But you want to CONTROL everything and LIE in the process, whatever it takes!
Please provide PROOF that I am connected to ZetaTalk or the Pole Shift Ning. There will be no proof because you cannot prove it (even with my IP address and email address).
At least I have evidence for my statements. Cheryl has ZERO evidence about me, simply jumped to CRAZY conclusions so she can leave my comment up and make a blog based on it (rather than delete it because that would expose Cheryl's LIE that she never suspends members or deletes anything because she does both).
So including my comment as coming from the Pole Shift Ning is a total falsehood based on nothing.
Thanks, again, Cheryl for proving me right about you. You need professional help, the sooner the better.
I seriously doubt Nancy Lieder cares anything about your pathetic "ning." You are grasping at straws to defend your obvious hatred of a woman who IS spreading the truth (unlike you, who allows anything on here, no matter how crazy, as long as it debunks ZetaTalk).
I will come back in the Fall when Comet Elenin passes without causing anything. What will all you dupes say then? How about when the earth changes continue to get worse AFTER Comet Elenin passes far from earth? I guess whatever Cheryl's handlers decide is the next cover-up lie will be what this ning becomes.
p.s. Count how many members actually post here, it is a tiny number. Count how many people post on the Pole Shift Ning: A HUGE number. That should tell those with an open mind where the real action about earth changes, and it is NOT this "ning." Good luck when you can all see Planet X with your own eyes and realize you have been duped!
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Comments
the first sign of being delusional is denial, of it, perhaps.. enough said perhaps of all this, now talk about the weather? just listening to Jim maccaney, talking about ZT ad NL, 29th broadcast, very quick to archive the show, still listening to him. great show by the way.
well done Keith, for finding this. the last paragraphs of it really sums it all up. I have only glanced through it, but it covers in depth what we are talking about here. maybe you could post this to Nancy---- only joking!!!!!!
all typical signs of a cult from what I understand of cults. cult mentality.. but i have said it all before. if those who follow ZT and its leader, and compare them to the way other cults have gone, hero worship, obsessiveness in relation to its beliefs, , religions also show this kind of mentality, all religions, at the lower level, they work on the same principles, the Roman Catholic church, speaking as a lapsed, very lapsed member, who went through all the years of the fifties and sixties , sadly people, are in need of an education in mass psychology. But more often it is the followers of the cult who reinforce the behavior patterns of the leader of the cult. in effect they feed of each other, mutualy reinforcing. it forms a feedback loop, and right at the center of it are some very little , delicate egos,
Nicholas, that was my bottom line. A enlightened being, service to others (STO), would not engage in the behavior that I personally observed. What I witnessed were put-downs, false accusations, using her power to sway opinion, using that same power to encourage her followers to break the law, slander/libel, using ZT as justification for murder of perceived enemies, character assassination, interfering with a third-party relationship, theft, spying, out-of-control rage, retaliation, and vengeance. These are not STO behaviors, no matter how hard she tries to justify them. This is not defamation because defamation needs an element of untruth. I have proof of all these things, many of which were presented in self-defense in my blog, A Modest Rebuttal. And if the Zetas she claims to still be in contact with are putting up with that kind of behavior, then they are not the good Zetas. A person is known by the company s/he keeps. But I lean towards there having been legitimate contact early on, but then it was abandoned.
While I have forgiven her, I feel obligated to warn people to not be deceived by her. It is wrong to hold a grudge against her, no matter how heinous her behavior has been. It just builds up bad karma. So, for everyone who has negative feelings toward her, this will be a good spiritual exercise: forgive her and send some light and love her way. As one of the moderators at the other site told her when he resigned, "You have chosen a hard path." And indeed she has. Maybe we can help lighten her load a little.
Vickie, I too see the difference between the early years and the later years, and 2003 could have been the issue where the Zetas parted company with her. I know of one person who did the same thing (parted company) but went against personal knowing and rejoined. It's sad to think that people believe their salvation will come from that group when there are many worthwhile groups that are so willing to help.
Yes, "Independent Thinking" is the smoking gun that something went wrong somewhere.
No galactic passport for us! We'll contaminate the universe. I've read that even setting off nukes can harm the galactic neighborhood.
I remember reading that some bad Zetas slipped through and some other race caught them and brought them before one of the federations over it. Of course, this is internet hearsay and we'll never know this side of the veil. I've read things about the Zetas and seen pictures that don't match what ZT said, but then again, there are a number of varieties of Zetas. In fact, there was no mention of a lot of the varieties of Zetas out there in ZT, and the few that were shown didn't even have the names of their species. In some recall I've had about being aboard spacecraft, I never saw her. There were other races there having meetings, but she wasn't there.
And yes, the Zetas were always adamant about giving no dates. They even said that factors were constantly changing and it was impossible to give a date. Then suddenly dates are given and they fail. If the Zetas were intent upon discrediting themselves, "they" chose the right way to go about it. Of course, it wasn't them giving wrong dates, just human ego.
I agree with everything Vicky says, your analyses is for me correct on every point. one has to read ZT and NL , the leader of the website, with a completely open mind. one benchmark I use is this . how would an enlightened being who has a raised consciousness and is filled with LIGHT, behave? how would the man Yeheshua, born 2000 years ago behave? this is the ultimate final marker we should look for. I believe she was at one time genuine, and contacted by these beings, however it may be after her first contact, she has since embellished and created all sorts of imaginings around this initial experience. and if these beings are of the Light, and have telepathic powers, they would detect things in Nanci's psyche, and maybe after say 2003, the contacts may have faded away. but Nancy kept imagining she was in touch with them and with a large following, boosting her prestige we have the present mess. But back to my initial question, how can a woman of seventy with limited resources pay for let alone create the websites she has? I believe she was a programmer at one time, and it is said she was once Bill Hamiltons wife and there are issues stemming from the Promise software that Bill Hamilton developed.
I strongly believe the deeper we go into Zeta Talk, and its leader, the more complex and even dark it becomes.
With the support she gets, I think so.
To Cheryl, maybe they have long since stopped taking to her, but in her ego, she imagines they are still communicating. But, who us doing all the background research for her website? I still wonder if she is a secret employee on the NSA/CIA payroll, out to disinform us.
POWER CORRUPTS
Vickie, read Independent Thinking at www.zetatalk.com/beinghum/b68.htm to see how far they've strayed from the original message. They have become what the Zetas warned about.
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